[arin-ppml] ARIN IPs and Spammers?

[Matthew Kaufman]

If I send a bunch of junk mail from my house, or play music really loud late at night, does the city come and take my street address away?

Matthew Kaufman

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> On Nov 7, 2014, at 5:30 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
> 
> The Municipal government (city, county, etc.)  in conjunction with the Planning department usually sets the policies by which they are issued.
> 
> The police and/or code enforcement divisions of the municipal government generally take care of the enforcement side.
> 
> Not sure how this relates to the discussion at hand.
> 
> Owen
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:33 AM, Matthew Kaufman <matthew at matthew.at> wrote:
>> 
>> Who regulates the "appropriate use" of street addresses?
>> 
>> Matthew Kaufman
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>> (Sent from my iPhone)
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>>> On Nov 6, 2014, at 10:50 PM, John Von Stein <John at qxccommunications.com> wrote:
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>>> Should Colt be held accountable to police the use of hand guns?  Or Pfizer for medication schedule compliance?   Or teachers for our children’s grades? 
>>>  
>>> The point is that ARIN is the administrator of IP numbers but each of us is responsible for the proper use of them.  That said, without enforcement there is no rule of law so the question really is what entity needs to be the enforcer?  The Federal Reserve Bank assesses economic conditions and sets interest rates but it is the Bank Auditor Army that enforces regulatory compliance on the banks themselves. 
>>>  
>>> Much like the Fed, IP addresses need to have a segregation of duties between policy-setting and enforcement.  Clearly ARIN is in the policy-setting role already and that’s where they should stay in my humble opinion.  The question is who/what will be the “Bank Examiner” regarding the appropriate use of IP addresses going forward?????
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>>> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Bob Atkins
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:34 PM
>>> To: arin-ppml at arin.net
>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN IPs and Spammers?
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>>> 
>>> Trying to regulate IPv4 address space based on who and how it is used is a waste of time anyway.
>>> 
>>> Just wait until spammers start using IPv6 space.
>>> 
>>> On 11/6/2014 3:59 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>> In a word, no.
>>>  
>>> ARIN should not be the application police and should not be making value judgments about what addresses are used for.
>>>  
>>> While I support industry efforts to eliminate SPAM and support ARIN taking action against inefficient utilization of address space (such as snowshoe spamming), I do not think that we want to go down the very slippery slope of appointing ARIN arbiter of what is good and bad usage of internet addresses.
>>>  
>>> Owen
>>>  
>>> On Nov 6, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Bon Onlines <bononlines at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hey all,
>>>  
>>> What do you think about the number of ARIN ips belongs to spammers
>>> nowadays? I have done a researched recently and found alot companies
>>> how have assigned more than thousands of IPs to some spammers around
>>> the world.
>>>  
>>> Do you think such assignments are fair? Shouldn't arin take some steps
>>> to stop such abuses of ips?
>>>  
>>> I would be happy to hear your thoughts.
>>>  
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