[arin-ppml] ARIN Draft Policy 2014-2 Improving 8.4 Anti-Flip Language

Martin Hannigan hannigan at gmail.com
Mon May 5 22:27:05 EDT 2014

Abandon. As David Huberman pointed out, easy to game and doesn't solve the
real problem with efficient use of resources where we need them, whether
its complying with policies like the German privacy laws or embarking upon
legal and efficient financial strategies that are in compliance with the
intended and legitimate in policy uses of resources.

I will also add, however, that completely discounting the voices of folks
that did comment in support because we don't appear to like their comments
or we decided to discount the venue is extremely negative. I consider my
opinion  here to be in the minority - hopefully influential to those who
disagreed previously. My suggestion to them is to instead support Mr.
Hubermans comments and to insist that they try again -- differently.

I still believe the geo location argument is weak, but I plan to research
that additionally and provide more feedback on that later.



On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Bill Darte <billdarte at gmail.com> wrote:

> Should we abandon this Draft?
> After the Chicago Public Policy Meeting, based upon the community's
> suggestion that the AC continue to work on this Draft.  I sent an email to
> PPML asking for support or opposition to this Draft and received just 2
> responses....both in opposition.
> I reiterate that PPML message below and once again ask for your support or
> opposition. Failing to generate greater support for this Draft and given
> that the AC has approximately 20 proposals and drafts on its docket.....I
> plan to make a motion at the next AC monthly meeting recommending
> abandoning this Draft Policy for lack of community support......
> Now is your opportunity to convince the community that this a worthwhile
> effort....or not.
> Thanks,
> Bill Darte
> AC Shepherd for 2014-2
> Draft Policy Issue:
> Simply, the author wishes the Anti-Flip language currently used in the
> NRPM to be relaxed, allowing an Inter-RIR transfer within their own
> organization of previously existing addresses....though they may have
> received a new allocation or assignment within the last 12 months.
> Current draft language states that the organization may do such a
> transfer, but may not use the actual addresses which were received from
> ARIN (or through transfer) in the previous 12 months.  But they could
> therefore transfer other resources holdings.
> Request for feedback:
> In order to further this discussion and gain a consensus, I would like to
> once again ask the community to speak in favor or against this Draft Policy
> so that it may be presented and discussed at our next Public Policy
> Consultation at NANOG in June.
> 1. Yes or No.  Should the community relax existing policy which attempts
> to limit the transfer of ARIN resources out of region, in order to allow an
> organization flexibility to move address blocks to another portion of their
> own organization in another region, even though they might have received
> different addresses within ARIN in the last 12 months?
> (Note current policy would still restrict availability of new addresses to
> the organization for a period of 12 months after the transfer and is not
> being changed by this draft).
> 2.  If YES above, are there any other qualifications or limits that should
> be imposed on the resources transferred or the organization?
> (Note that a vote of NO to question #1 would essentially ask the Advisory
> Council to abandon this draft policy leaving existing policy in place.)
> Thanks to all who continue to work within the community to exercise their
> right and duty to craft appropriate policy guiding ARIN's important role in
> Internet number resource management.
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