[arin-ppml] [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal

David Huberman David.Huberman at microsoft.com
Thu Mar 27 02:06:34 EDT 2014


Thank you for your speedy and helpful reply.

I will note you close your email with the implication that a desire by the participants of ARIN's public fora to alter the Board's bylaws is not a policy development activity.   If that is true - if a policy proposal conducted under the auspices of PDP to change the bylaws is out of scope of the PDP (did you imply that?) - then by what mechanism can the public:
- bring to light an idea for bylaws change;
- discuss it;
- attempt to substantively judge consensus of the proposed change; and 
- upon judging consensus exists, affect disposition of the change?

In other words, surely the public, speaking with consensus, can change the Bylaws of the Board without relying on the elected Board members themselves to effect this change, yes?  If no, please state so, as such a response should be extremely alarming to all who care about ARIN's future, I think.

David R Huberman
Microsoft Corporation
Senior IT/OPS Program Manager (GFS)

-----Original Message-----
From: John Curran [mailto:jcurran at arin.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 10:28 PM
To: David Huberman
Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal

On Mar 27, 2014, at 1:01 PM, David Huberman <David.Huberman at microsoft.com> wrote:

> I apologize if I sound combative, but I strongly dislike this suggestion.  

David - 

   I noted it as an option because it is the mailing list documented for 
   that purpose in the suggestion process.

> John, when there is time, can staff please tell us:
> - how many non-staff|non-board|non-AC|non-ASO/NRO|non-RIR subscribers 
> are currently on arin-consult?
> - how many individuals (same exclusions as above) have posted to the 
> list in the past 12 months?

   We shall obtain such information.

> I strongly suspect the true participation numbers for this 
> pseudo-invisible mailing list will be too low for any Bylaws change 
> discussed exclusively there to meaningfully represent "bottoms-up participation".

  The arin-consult mailing list is specifically for handling suggestions
  and is open to the general public.  That does not preclude discussion on
  arin-ppml, but we have had complaints in the past of too much non-policy
  traffic on PPML and hence made arin-consult list specifically for suggestions.  
  You will note that there has been no suggestion that arin-ppml is inappropriate
  for such a purpose over the discussions of that last two days; it is simply
  a question of how the community wishes to organize its discussions; one
  omnibus list or a distinct list for operational and organization matters
  which are not number resource policy development.


John Curran
President and CEO


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