[arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2013-8: Subsequent Allocations for New Multiple Discrete Networks - Revised

Martin Hannigan hannigan at gmail.com
Wed Mar 5 12:11:56 EST 2014

You get AC airline status upgrade karma points if you can tell me that this is meaningless then. 

From immediate need text :

"These cases are exceptional."

That doesn't sound easier. And is not current "undocumented" practice. 

And end users are still excluded. 

Abandon. Thanks.



> On Mar 5, 2014, at 11:50, Andrew Dul <andrew.dul at quark.net> wrote:
>> On 3/5/2014 4:55 AM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:13 PM, ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
>> [ clip ]
>>> Add the following statement to section 4.5.4.
>>> Upon verification that the organization has demonstrated need at its new
>>> discrete network site, the new networks shall be allocated the minimum
>>> allocation size under section unless the organization can
>>> demonstrate additional need using the immediate need criteria (
>> Talk about locking someone out of a policy lock, stock and barrel and
>> flushing "stewardship" down the drain completely. Most MDN users are
>> going to go straight to only to find that they are locked out
>> because they aren't contracted as an ISP. They could buy another
>> OrgID... and pay another exorbitant fee if qualified I guess. If we
>> really want to limit users to a /22 why not do it across the board?
>> I'm glad we moved beyond ARIN trying to define business terms between
>> networks and ARIN customers, but we should move beyond this entirely
>> and abandon it.
> I disagree that this new text is a no-op or that it makes MDN user's
> requests more difficult.  This policy is intended to make it _easier_
> for orgs to get address space for new sites.
> Under ARIN's current operational practice, ARIN is forcing MDN orgs to
> use immediate need to get address space for a new site.  This policy is
> intended to make it as easy as...Do you have a new site?  Yes> Does it
> need address space (e.g. does it meet the original critieria already in
> MDN 4.5.2) Yes>, then you can allocate the minimum allocation size
> (currently /22) to the new site.  Done.
> This policy does not limit you to a /22 per site, it only says that you
> start with a /22 unless you can actually show that you need more right
> away, then you can use a 30 day need to justify what size block to
> allocate to a new site.
> Andrew
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