[arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2013-8: Subsequent Allocations for New Multiple Discrete Networks - Revised

Martin Hannigan hannigan at gmail.com
Wed Mar 5 08:54:50 EST 2014

On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:17 AM, CJ Aronson <cja at daydream.com> wrote:

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>> You must not have been at the aforementioned consultation.
> First of all I was online listening to the PPC.  Second I didn't write the

You were registered:


But you didn't say a word during the entire discussion and you are the
shepherd. And considering that I spoke specifically on this topic at
the PPC, that is outright shocking! :-)

> changes but I do agree with them and belleve they reflect the concerns that
> came up at that meeting.

Once you scrub the AC cheer leading, there was no support for these
changes. No change would support that context.

You can see for yourself here:


>> > Add the following statement to section 4.5.4.
>> >
>> > Upon verification that the organization has demonstrated need at its new
>> > discrete network site, the new networks shall be allocated the minimum
>> > allocation size under section unless the organization can
>> > demonstrate additional need using the immediate need criteria (
>> Talk about locking someone out of a policy lock, stock and barrel and
>> flushing "stewardship" down the drain completely. Most MDN users are
>> going to go straight to only to find that they are locked out
>> because they aren't contracted as an ISP. They could buy another
>> OrgID... and pay another exorbitant fee if qualified I guess. If we
>> really want to limit users to a /22 why not do it across the board?
> There is nothing in this policy that isn't currently happening in practice
> with MDN allocations.  I am not sure what "contracted as an ISP" means.

If an end-user attempts to use they won't be turned away? --- "If an ISP has an immediate need for address space, "

Force feeding accomplishes at least one parties objectives, but always
result in an unhappy patient. The AC needs to leave this alone
considering that, according to multiple AC members now, it changes



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