[arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers

John Curran jcurran at arin.net
Thu Jun 12 09:51:54 EDT 2014

On Jun 12, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

> You continue to claim the existence of an unknown number of zombie registrants, but even if we take that as a given, you’ve given nothing to prove that these zombies would somehow magically step forward and register if the needs test were removed. There are all kinds of reasons people may not record transfers that go far beyond the issue of the needs test.


A major operational network may not like the current 24-month needs-test 
because of the lack of long-term certainty for access to IPv4 address space
that results, but that discomfort can be addressed by finding a supplier 
and locking up options for access to number resources in the future access 
if so desired.  They also have, one could imagine, the potential of bypassing 
the registry completely, but that comes with some significant risk of trying 
to enforce those theoretically obtained rights if the registrant changes their 
story later (or turns out not to be the proper rights holder from the beginning, 
since one did not actually go to the registry and have the asserted address 
holder validated.)  From what I can tell, the vast majority of operational 
network has preferred to work within the community policy, even those for 
whom the current needs-based qualification in policy is problematic.

This is not the case with those who are not operating networks and only 
wish to use the IP addresses for very short-term (e.g. until the IP block 
reputation is ruined), in these cases, they don't intend to be using the 
address blocks over the long-term; removing the needs-assessment hurdle 
may not meaningfully change their desire to update the registration info 


John Curran
President and CEO

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