[arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers

Brandon Ross bross at pobox.com
Wed Jun 11 16:36:21 EDT 2014

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014, Matthew Petach wrote:

> I cannot absolutely prevent you from stealing my furniture
> if you so desire.  However, that doesn't mean I'm not going
> to put a lock on my front door to at least make it harder for
> you, and make it patently clear that you're doing so against
> my express desires.

As has been mentioned here before, stealing furnature is a criminal 
offence, writing a contract giving exclusive rights to address space is 
not.  That's a pretty crucial difference.  If breaking and entering and 
stealing furnature were legal, the small help of a lock on my porch screen 
door would make little difference to a "bad actor".  Locks keep honest 
people honest, but if an activity is not widely agreed to be immoral, 
locks won't help.

> I'll ask plainly; for everyone voting for needs-free
> transfers; would you still vote that way, *if in doing
> so, you were guaranteed to not be able to obtain
> any number resources under the new policy*?

I don't have any address resources now, and I don't ever plan on having 
any in the future, so sure, why not?

> If not, I would claim your votes are not guided by
> the good of the community; they're guided by
> self-interest, and a hope and desire that you can
> get something for less effort than you can by following
> the current guidelines.

Oh really?

Much like Owen, I have a nice little business of helping small 
organizations navigate the ARIN process to get address space.  It's not a 
majority of my income, but it's pretty nice and easy work for me.  If 
needs basis goes away, guess what else goes away?

Even though Owen and I are on opposite sides of this coversation, I can 
guarantee you right now that both of us, without fail, are arguing solely 
for what we think is best for the community.

It's quite ironic that I would make more money by arguing on your side of 
the issue, isn't it?

Or maybe my conspiracy is to get v4 to run out faster so I can make more 
money on v6 deployment?

> I'm sorry.  I'm going to start saying things that
> will offend people, and I'll end up with a bunch
> of pissed off people if I continue.

I believe you already have.

Please only question my motives when you have evidence.

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