[arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers

Elvis Velea elvis at velea.eu
Tue Jun 10 16:39:42 EDT 2014

On 10/06/14 22:15, lar at mwtcorp.net wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:11:15 +0000
>  Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com> wrote:
>> Get used to it because even if this Community doesn’t relent and ease 
>> up on needs requirements, the marketplace will take up the slack 
>> outside of ARIN - and a 2nd (or more) defacto marketplace will be 
>> created.  It is inevitable and short of a law being past you and I 
>> can’t stop it.  As you probably know this is already happening with 
>> the IP brokers out there and I could easily see another RIR who is 
>> out of resources joining up with significant 3rd party brokers to 
>> fill IPv4 needs at market prices worldwide. There is another supply 
>> of IPv4 resources out there in the form of all those Legacy /8’s that 
>> were given out many years ago, and I suspect that demand will bring 
>> some of those resources to market.  That supply could defer switching 
>> to IPv6 for years and not everyone likes IPv6.
> Then maybe the discussion we should be having is how to reclaim 
> un-needed IPV4 space.

this discussion should have happened 10 years ago. Now, it's too late.

Everyone knows that IP addresses are worth a buck or two.. The 
marketplace exists and at least 3 RIRs acknowledge it and their 
communities have built policies for it. Would you give them up if you 
would be having a (large) number of unused IPs; IPs that may bring your 
organization the money needed to invest in new equipment and skills and 
migrate to IPv6 :)


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