[arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3transfersarin-ppml at arin.net List (arin-ppml at arin.net)<arin-ppml at arin.net>;

Mike Burns mike at iptrading.com
Mon Jun 9 15:34:07 EDT 2014

Hi John,

That RFC 2050 stuff is just FUD.

I was saying that Plzak declared in court that ARIN's policies did not apply 
to legacy space. But you have said that they do.
On the other hand, RIPE ERX has been transferable without need because of 
its legacy status.

The statement you extracted was tangential and distracting to the 
needs-based discussion. It was made simply in the context of demonstrating 
that such a needs-free market has existed for some time without evidence of 

If I were to re-write it, I would leave you out, since I am guilty of the 
same distraction.


-----Original Message----- 
From: John Curran
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 2:55 PM
To: Mike Burns
Cc: Owen DeLong ; arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3transfersarin-ppml at arin.net 
List (arin-ppml at arin.net);

On Jun 9, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com> wrote:

> What's more, like ARIN's previous CEO and unlike ARIN's current CEO, RIPE 
> never took the position that RIPE policy applies to legacy space.

Mike -

Your statement is factually incorrect in multiple ways; you probably are 
that adherence to the needs-based assignment criteria for purpose of 
actually originates in RFC 2050 ("INTERNET REGISTRY IP ALLOCATION 
dated November 1996 (and before my involvement in the Internet registry 
The document authors are staff from RIPE, APNIC, and InterNIC and assert it 
to be
an accurate representation of the current practice of the IP address 
at that time.  From <http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2050.txt> -

"   7.  The transfer of IP addresses from one party to another must be
       approved by the regional registries.  The party trying to obtain
       the IP address must meet the same criteria as if they were
       requesting an IP address directly from the IR."

When the ARIN community developed an explicit transfer policy, the more 
community set policy took precedence.  The needs-based requirements in NRPM 
remain in place because the ARIN community has not seen to remove them; i.e.
they are under the control of this community via the policy development 
and that has little to do with the staff or Board views on this matter.


John Curran
President and CEO

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