[arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers

Elvis Velea elvis at velea.eu
Wed Jun 4 22:57:10 EDT 2014

Hi David,

On 05/06/14 04:50, David Miller wrote:
> Proper stewardship of the ARIN function demands that ARIN policy
> adjust to what happens in the market.  It's not the other way around,
> if only because that's not how markets work.
> If, and only if, one redefines ARIN's function as *only* bookkeeping.
Once ARIN runs out of IPv4, it's only function in IPv4 will be the 
>> The ARIN CEO, ARIN's General Counsel, the Harvard economist ARIN pays,
>> professors who study markets, brokers who operate in the market, and
>> buyers and sellers who buy and sell in the market have all told the
>> ARIN community the same story for around 5 years now: the market is
>> going to act as a market, and ARIN policy needs to be ready for it;
>> ARIN policy needs to make sense with the dynamics of the market.
> In addition to internet number resources, there are also 'markets' in
> drugs, stolen cars, ivory, endangered species, and human slaves.
Still, ARIN, like APNIC and the RIPE NCC, recognize the IPv4 Brokers and 
even provides a Listing service.

You can not compare the IPv4 market to the 'human slaves market'. One is 
legal, the other one is not.
> The fact that a 'market' exists does not, in and of itself, imply that
> policies should be adjusted so that the market can function more
> efficiently.
> There seems to be a hidden assumption here that number resources with
> incorrect registration are "as good as" those with accurate
> registration, and thus all that is being requested is that the db be
> cleaned up.  If that were actually the case, then I doubt we would be
> having this discussion.
My router will not care if the database registration is accurate.
> If there is a benefit to accurate registration through legitimization of
> this market on an unlimited scale, that outweighs the negative impacts
> of hoarding, speculation, and IPv6 denial, then I haven't seen it yet.
> I am, however, open to being convinced.
The market is already legitimized. Check the RIR websites and their 
links to the market and the recognized IPv4 Brokers.


> -DMM
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