[arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers

Mike Burns mike at iptrading.com
Wed Jun 4 20:41:48 EDT 2014

> And secondarily, what size of un-needs tested transfer would be an 
> acceptable balance between the benefits of the needs test and the costs of 
> the needs test?

/24 seems like a perfectly reasonable balancing point to me. I’d be willing 
to conduct an experiment on a temporary basis at /20 for a limited time (12 


Hi Owen,

I understand your position and belief that the needs test serves to preserve 
space for those with a legitimate and quasi-immediate need, but in my 
experience there is plenty of supply in the transfer market currently, and 
in any case we are talking about relatively small amounts which can be 
sequestered without the demonstration of need.

Thus I don't think the removal of a needs test for transfers smaller than  a 
/16 will have any measurable effect on the ability to find space on the 
transfer market at current price levels.

Thanks for offering your input to my second question. A /20 is an 
interesting choice because it appears in policy as the minimum size for some 
allocations and requestors who fail to meet that threshold are some of the 
corner cases which would be helped by the potential for a needs-free 


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