[arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers

Ron Grant rgrant at skywaywest.com
Wed Jun 4 11:40:35 EDT 2014

+1,  with the added note that speculation and hoarding will be in play 
in a limited-resources market.

"In other business news, a man traded a kidney for an IPv4 C Class 
network today...."

But wait - isn't this a GOOD thing? Who's going to hold out on IPv6 
deployment if those addresses are FREE and IPv4 addresses cost more than 
an Apple share?

On 2014-06-04 8:28 AM, Matthew Kaufman wrote:
> On 6/4/2014 7:11 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> Or, you could recognize that the intent of the policy and the reason 
>> for that policy is to make those addresses available to other 
>> entities with a more immediate need and behave in the spirit of the 
>> community.
>> We can't make the letter of the law force all organizations to be 
>> good actors. It's just not practical. The best we can do is provide 
>> policy that expresses the general intent of the community and hope 
>> that the majority of people and organizations are good actors.
> Once addresses are no longer available from ARIN, all organizations in 
> need of addresses will be spending real money to acquire them. They 
> will spend that money as directed by their leadership and their 
> shareholders to ensure their own perceived need is met, not what ARIN 
> thinks they need this week. In fact, for public companies to do 
> otherwise would be irresponsible to their shareholders and actionable 
> by said shareholders.
> If they are unable to register the addresses, they will still lock 
> them up in contracts that are none of ARIN's business (and entirely 
> invisible to ARIN), not "make those addresses available to other 
> entities with a more immediate need". That's just not going to happen, 
> for the same reason GM doesn't say "Well, tires are going to be in 
> short supply for the next couple of quarters. We really should stop 
> ordering them so other more charitable car makers can get their share."
> Matthew Kaufman
> ps. I'd also note that "policy that expresses the general intent of 
> the community" may in fact *be* policy that lets post-runout transfers 
> be performed without a needs test, as "the community" consists of a 
> lot more than "Owen".
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