[arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers

John Curran jcurran at arin.net
Tue Jun 3 22:27:17 EDT 2014

On Jun 3, 2014, at 12:51 PM, Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com<mailto:mike at iptrading.com>> wrote:

Retaining the needs policy will result in a Whois filled with zombie corporations, resuscitated from the dead, alive only in the sense of their Whois listing and (sometimes) up-to-date corporate filing.  These zombie corporations will be owned by companies like David’s, whose business decisions drive them towards non-policy-compliant address transfers.  Whois will not be updated.

Mike -

   Indeed, there quite likely will be some organizations that end up taking that approach;
   it is not possible to know whether the "non-compliant" aspect will deter them such that
   they transfer within policy constraints (i.e. limited to 2 years of expected growth)

   Note also that some organizations may transfer in compliance with policy and existing
   need, but then lock in the option with the current holder for future transfer of any
   remainder of the address block (which is neither detectable nor within ARIN's remit.)
   Whether that kind of outcome meets the desired policy goals is not clear, but it should
   be recognized as a rather likely in light of present policy and desire by networks for
   more certainty in their available supply of IPv4 number resources.

   In the end, the community needs to consider the ongoing expected benefits of the
   needs-based transfer constraints in light of these evolving conditions.


John Curran
President and CEO

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