[arin-ppml] LAST CALL: Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2013-8: Subsequent Allocations for New Multiple Discrete Networks

Scott Leibrand scottleibrand at gmail.com
Mon Jun 30 20:12:33 EDT 2014


You obviously have a unique perspective on this issue that would be worth
sharing, as I'm not aware of anyone else who has expressed the concern that
the current version of this policy would make it harder to qualify for
space.  (Previous versions had some language that might've, which was
changed to avoid doing so.)

If you can explain the reason for your objection in enough detail for us to
understand what the issue is, I'd be happy to work more with the AC
shepherds and the author, to (for example) look at additional language
changes to address the concern.  I understand that your objection s obvious
to you, but it's not obvious to me (as applied to the current revised
text).  And without being able to understand the objection, I can't in good
conscience speak up against moving this policy forward.

-Scott


On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Martin Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Scott,
>
> Asking me to do the work the AC is supposed to do is like asking a nun to
> certify their virginity.
>
> I made my point and I feel zero need to defend what is completely obvious
> and on the record.
>
> As I explained to our "CEO and President", feel free to demonstrate
> otherwise.
>
> Best,
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> On Jun 30, 2014, at 19:38, Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Martin,
>
> I felt the objections raised at previous meetings were addressed, not
> ignored. Can you clarify how you feel that this policy would make it harder
> for a recipient to qualify to receive space via transfer? The intent here
> is to allow organizations to create new discrete networks and qualify for
> space from them. If you think it will do the opposite, it's worth detailing
> how and why.
>
> It's also worth noting that, by documenting the basic requirements for
> such networks, it also reduces ARIN staff's discretion and provides
> additional policy certainty.
>
> Scott
>
> On Jun 30, 2014, at 3:58 PM, Martin  Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Objection, with the majority of the community from the previous ARIN
> meeting, recent NANOG PPC and other comments and fora discussion.
>
> But don't let that stop the ARIN AC from moving it forward in its
> obsession with controlling v4 markets.
>
> Best,
>
> -M<
>
>
> On Jun 30, 2014, at 17:34, CJ Aronson <cja at daydream.com> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone
>
> Does anyone have comments on this recommended draft policy?
>
> Thanks!
> ----Cathy
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 2:16 PM, ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
>
>> The ARIN Advisory Council (AC) met on 19 June 2014 and decided to
>> send the following to last call:
>>
>>   Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2013-8: Subsequent Allocations for New
>> Multiple Discrete Networks
>>
>> Feedback is encouraged during the last call period. All comments should
>> be provided to the Public Policy Mailing List. This last call will
>> expire on 8 July 2014. After last call the AC will conduct their
>> last call review.
>>
>> The draft policy text is below and available at:
>> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/
>>
>> The ARIN Policy Development Process is available at:
>> https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Communications and Member Services
>> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>>
>>
>> ## * ##
>>
>>
>> Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2013-8
>> Subsequent Allocations for New Multiple Discrete Networks
>>
>> Date: 16 May 2014
>>
>> AC's assessment of conformance with the Principles of Internet Number
>> Resource Policy:
>>
>> This proposal enables fair and impartial number resource administration
>> by documenting how to get a new block for a new discrete network. Previous
>> versions of the policy did have this information and over time it has been
>> removed.
>>
>> This proposal is technically sound. There is a need for discrete networks
>> and an organization should have a policy that would allow it to create a
>> new discrete network.
>>
>> This proposal is supported by the community. There has been some concern
>> about the criterial that will be used and this version has been updated
>> with the current thinking on the criteria.
>>
>> Policy Statement:
>>
>> IPv4:
>> Add the following statement to section 4.5.4.
>> Upon verification that the organization has shown evidence of deployment
>> of the new discrete network site, the new network(s) shall be allocated the
>> minimum allocation size under section 4.2.1.5 unless the organization can
>> demonstrate additional need using the immediate need criteria (4.2.1.6).
>>
>> IPv6:
>> Add an additional reference to section 6.11.5.b such that it references
>> both the initial allocation and subsequent allocation sections of the IPv6
>> LIR policy.
>> "Each network will be judged against the existing utilization criteria
>> specified in 6.5.2 and 6.5.3 as if it were a separate organization..."
>>
>> Comments:
>> a. Timetable for implementation: immediate
>> b. This policy is being proposed based upon the Policy Implementation &
>> Experience Report from ARIN 32.
>> https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/
>> ARIN_32/PDF/thursday/nobile-policy.pdf
>> c: Older versions of the MDN policy did contain new network criteria.
>> This criteria appears to have been dropped during subsequent rewrites of
>> the MDN policy. "The organization must not allocate a CIDR block larger
>> than the current minimum assignment size of the RIR (currently /20 for
>> ARIN) to a new network." (https://www.arin.net/policy/
>> archive/nrpm_20041015.pdf)
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