[arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers

Bill Darte billdarte at gmail.com
Thu Jun 12 12:32:56 EDT 2014


David said:

"Use of the registry database for policy enforcement is not supportive of
the primary reason for the existence of the registry system (there is a
reason it's called a "registry").  It is also self-defeating.  Get enough
folks doing "transfers" outside of registry database and the database is no
longer meaningful."

Yup, I suppose....and I guess it's no fault blaming those individuals who
do not heed the community's standards by going outside of policy....no,
let's consider ARIN to be at fault for responding to community consensus.

I know that what this back and forth is about....policy discussion and
development....to see whether the community has had a see change...but what
I see is that a few people who want it their way...continue to flame the
status quo for maintaining its focus...to my mind...where it still should
be.  Scare resource? Given them to people who NEED them. If the community
should be outrage about something, it should be those who contribute to the
weakness of he database, not those who's stewardship has not failed.

bd




On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 6:50 AM, David Conrad <drc at virtualized.org> wrote:

> Gary and Bill,
>
> On Jun 12, 2014, at 6:37 AM, Bill Darte <billdarte at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Gary said...
>
> "need" is not the same as "want" (see the
> $10K red button app that was offered for
> awhile; can anyone explain why anyone
> would "need" it).  And while some may
> exchange money for only "want"s, those
> that can demonstrate "need" can get those
> transfers approved today and have the
> registry updated today.  Only the "wants"
> are having a hard time.  And, in my opinion,
> that is as it should be.
>
>
> big +1
>
>
> While I consider the angst associated with speculators (or whoever) buying
> up all the address space overblown (hint: it would merely shorten the
> already short time horizon of when IPv4 addresses are no longer practically
> available), the issue I'm most concerned with is "and have the registry
> updated today."
>
> I do not believe given sufficient "want" and money that the lack of
> updating the registry would sufficient deterrent to preclude a "transfer"
> from occurring.  The end result being that the address space is no longer
> traceable after the transfer.
>
> Use of the registry database for policy enforcement is not supportive of
> the primary reason for the existence of the registry system (there is a
> reason it's called a "registry").  It is also self-defeating.  Get enough
> folks doing "transfers" outside of registry database and the database is no
> longer meaningful.
>
> I would have no issue with using other tools at ARIN's disposal for policy
> enforcement, e.g., removing reverse delegations, marking entries in the
> database as "out of policy" and letting ISPs decide for themselves whether
> to accept a prefix for routing, invoking contractual penalties, etc.
>
> Regards,
> -drc
>
>
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