[arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers

Mike Burns mike at iptrading.com
Thu Jun 12 11:26:21 EDT 2014


        Yes… But what assurance do we have that removal of needs basis would somehow magically get more of these transfers recorded in whois?

Owen, I am not appealing to magic. I am applying basic business logic that I think most people on the list understand. If you buy a real estate, you generally want the deed published. Sure there are some who don’t, for one reason or another, but the vast majority do want their ownership registered in the authoritative list. 


     You think that offering someone lots of money for a transaction and asking them to work with you on the recording date of the         transaction with the RIR is difficult? I don’t. I don’t think it would be hard at all.

Owen, there is no “someone”. There are tens of thousands of address rights owners, with a constantly fluctuating amount of underutilized space which might be for sale.  From the perspective of one who is actively seeking out sellers, the idea that you could not only find enough of them, but organize them silently towards a massive single transactional event is laughable.  Most of the large holders are unsuprisingly large organizations. Getting them to march together in this way for this purpose is inconceivable. But we can agree to disagree on this likelihood while understanding that limiting needs-free transfers to one small amount per year like a /20 would preclude this eventuality.



    Someone who doesn’t want their actions publicly known for a variety of reasons. This happens all the time with hostile takeovers as was previously noted.


Owen, nobody is denying that there are other reasons why people avoid registration. No proposal on the table seeks to address those issues.

Regards,
Mike
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