[arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers

[Steven Ryerse]

Exactly, you just made the case I've been making in your real life terms.  Nobody including me wants anyone to corner the market.  If the ARIN policies are so hard to meet, that they have the effect of denying resources to real organizations with real needs, then the policies need to be fixed.  Simple as that.  

Sounds like policies are denying your company needs.  Your company should be able to get right sized resources.  ARIN was created to allocate resources and not to find reasons not to allocate them.  

By the way no apology necessary for expressing an honest opinion.  I appreciate an honest discussion.  


Steven Ryerse
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-----Original Message-----
From: lar at mwtcorp.net [mailto:lar at mwtcorp.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 7:17 PM
To: Steven Ryerse
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 18:29:40 +0000
  Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure why my post below was taken as "If you don't make policy this way we're going to ignore it".   I was saying that 
>there are already transactions taking place that the parties involved are ignoring ARINs policy.  
> 
If I mis-interpreted your statement I apologize.

I have had trouble meeting the needs requirement so I am aware and sympathize with the problem.
I just feel there needs to be some method to be sure he who gets does really need, not just thinks he needs or worse yet can afford to stockpile more than he could ever use just in case.

If there is a middle ground I'm all for it. The idea of /20 for no needs test seemed reasonable to me. Maybe dialing back how need is defined. Personally I've always hated the 80% yardstick that seemed somewhat arbitrary and almost unattainable if your assigning small networks to customers.

Mostly we need to see IPv4 die and move on. The route table problem might kill it a long time sooner than exhaustion.


> I am a CEO of a small company and I don't allow our employees to walk 
>down the hall and grab all of the computers and furniture they want, 
>but I do give them the proper amount of resources to get their job 
>completed, and I don't expect them to be able to get their job done with zero resources.  I don't advocate allowing any organization to automatically get any sized resource they want, but as I've described several times before, I do want organizations to be able to get resources they deem they need that
>are sized according to their size.   (Small orgs CAN get small resources, medium sized orgs CAN get medium sized resources, and 
>so forth.)
> 
> Steven Ryerse
> President
> 100 Ashford Center North, Suite 110, Atlanta, GA  30338
> 770.656.1460 - Cell
> 770.399.9099- Office
> 
> ℠ Eclipse Networks, Inc.
>                     Conquering Complex Networks℠
> 
> 
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