[arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers

McTim dogwallah at gmail.com
Tue Jun 10 15:30:03 EDT 2014


Is is indeed a significant shift in my position.

I think that is something you should recognise.

I'm all for giving small orgs the space they need, which seems to be what
you want.  However, ido not believe that this policyt does that for you, or
indeed for anyone in a way that is cheaper than getting the space from the
RIR.


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Cheers,

McTim
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indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com
> wrote:

>  Wow!  A whole /24 – that’s pretty generous of you!  What a large
> compromise that is .  .  .  .
>
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> *From:* McTim [mailto:dogwallah at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 10, 2014 2:29 PM
> *To:* Steven Ryerse
> *Cc:* Owen DeLong; Matthew Kaufman; arin-ppml at arin.net
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> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers
>
>
>
> Hi Steven,
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Steven Ryerse <
> SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com> wrote:
>
> There are several folks (like me) who want to ditch the needs test and
> there are several folks who don't want to ditch them.  I take it your
> position is that the folks who want to keep needs tests should somehow
> prevail in this argument without much or any change,  and those of us who
> wish to ditch them should just accept the status quo with needs tests. In
> other words you win and we lose!
>
> I saw a lot of folks comment here recently who want to at least loosen
> needs tests on the smaller block sizes, many many more than I've ever seen
> before.  Since it is obvious a sizable portion of this community desires a
> change toward loosening policies, why is it that you persist in standing in
> the way of compromise?
>
>
>
>   As for me, I think relaxing (not eliminating needs assessment at a /24
> boundary is plenty of compromise.
>
> See Andrew Dul's most recent mail for possible scenario's.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route
> indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
>
>
>
> There comes a time when fair is fair - and small organizations are
> routinely discriminated against because of our small size and not so deep
> pockets.  There is a lot of anger out there over the unfairness of these
> existing policies.  It should be just as easy for us to get resources as it
> was for T-Mobile and others.  I call on all members of this community to at
> least come to a compromise.  After all the world hasn't ended for RIPE with
> their changes - and it won't end here either if fairness is put back into
> the policies so that small organizations can get the resources they need
> too!
>
>
> Steven Ryerse
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> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of Owen DeLong
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 7:25 PM
> To: Matthew Kaufman
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers
>
> >
>
> > Matthew Kaufman
> >
> > ps. I'd also note that "policy that expresses the general intent of the
> community" may in fact *be* policy that lets post-runout transfers be
> performed without a needs test, as "the community" consists of a lot more
> than "Owen”.
>
> Indeed, it does. However, many people have also repeatedly stood up in
> defense of needs basis, so singling me out as if I am the lone supporter of
> preserving needs basis is as specious as many of your other arguments.
>
> Owen
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