[arin-ppml] Advisory Council Meeting Results - July 2014

Scott Leibrand scottleibrand at gmail.com
Mon Jul 28 20:07:14 EDT 2014

To follow up on this, here are the relevant portions of the ARIN Staff
Assessment that was just posted to PPML along with the revised version of
the policy:

A.    ARIN Staff Comments
> The impact of inter-RIR transfers of ASNs on ARIN from both an
> operational and development perspective are nominal today, but pose an
> unknown (but at least moderate) impact over the medium-term due to
> potentially significant impacts for additional requirements and/or
> specifications necessary for RPKI support of inter-RIR ASN transfers.

> 3. Resource Impact
> This policy would have minimal to moderate resource impact from an
> implementation aspect.  It is estimated that implementation would occur
> within 3 - 9 months after ratification by the ARINBoard of Trustees. The
> following would be needed in order to implement:
> Future impact from RPKI  implementation could involve either some kind of
> RIR<->IANA<->RIR coordination system or ERX for ASNs
> Updated guidelines and internal procedures
> Staff training


On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com> wrote:

>  I support further discussion of the RPKI issue.
> I don't think it will be difficult to overcome the issues raised by Mr.
> Huston, but since demand for Inter-RIR ASN transfers is low, there is
> little harm in waiting to get it right.
> I know there were some procedural wrinkles involved in early Inter-RIR
> address transfers and we may be able to anticipate and work around these
> kinds of things through further discussion.
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com>
> *To:* Michael Peddemors <michael at linuxmagic.com>
> *Cc:* ARIN-PPML List <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 23, 2014 1:54 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Advisory Council Meeting Results - July 2014
>  On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>   On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Michael Peddemors <
>> michael at linuxmagic.com> wrote:
>> The AC is continuing to work on the following:
>>>     Draft Policy ARIN-2014-15: Allow Inter-RIR ASN Transfers
>>> +1, all logical, can't really see how that can be abused.
>> The main concern now is the impact of Inter-RIR ASN Transfers on the RPKI
>> system.  Geoff brought up the issue at the NANOG PPC in Bellevue,
> To respond to a private query, Geoff's comments can be reviewed at
> https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ppc_nanog61/ppc_transcript.html#anchor_14
> -Scott
>>   and the subsequent staff assessment highlighted the fact that ARIN
>> would need to do additional RPKI development to make Inter-RIR ASN
>> transfers work with RPKI. Therefore, most of the AC felt (and convinced me)
>> that we shouldn't recommend ARIN-2014-15 for adoption after Baltimore, but
>> rather should leave it as a Draft Policy and discuss the RPKI issues there.
>> -Scott
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