[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-2: Improving 8.4 Anti-Flip Language

David Huberman David.Huberman at microsoft.com
Thu Jan 30 12:13:48 EST 2014


Thanks for your thoughts.

I proposed the policy for two reasons:

1) There are unanticipated consequences of the anti-flip language that make it impossible for companies to both be truthful with ARIN and to move blocks where they need to be.  Think of a large international network which sources addresses from ARIN for its backbone.  When it needs to move a block to APNIC-region registries due to both technical and geo-location reasons, it is unable to do so if it received space from ARIN within the last 12 months.  The "subsidiaries" part is due to legal realities:  the holding company in APNIC region is legally distinct from the HQ organization.  Again, the policy motivates lying to ARIN to get things done, and that's a lose-lose.

2) Anti-flipping language is obsolete with ARIN exhausted of large blocks, so when thinking about the policy, I originally wanted to just remove it.  But the PPML reality is I didn't think people would go for it, so to concentrate on the actual problem I wanted solved, I proposed an intermediate step.

I hope you will support the revised language, as it is intended to allow network operators to properly and honestly manage their registrations.


David R Huberman
Microsoft Corporation
Senior IT/OPS Program Manager (GFS)

-----Original Message-----
From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of William Herrin
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 8:44 AM
To: Bill Darte
Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-2: Improving 8.4 Anti-Flip Language

On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 7:11 AM, Bill Darte <billdarte at gmail.com> wrote:
> What if an organization
> wishes to transfer to an 'existing' subsidiary....is that the same 
> organization?


For consistency's sake with the rest of the NRPM, it is not the same organization.

> ...and, is this issue 'really' of concern given the late date relative 
> to ARIN free-pool run out?

I'd find that a reasonable argument for eliminating the anti-flipping provisions entirely. As an argument for creating unfairness in the anti-flipping provisions, and worse: unfairness biased against the domestic folks it is ARIN's core mission to serve, I find that argument unpersuasive.

Bill Herrin

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