[arin-ppml] 2014-2 8.4 Anti-flip Language

Bill Darte billdarte at gmail.com
Mon Feb 24 09:33:51 EST 2014

I'll not answer for Owen, but your question prompts me to say that the
transfer market is not a goodness.  It was, in my mind, a reasonable yet
distasteful stop gap on the way toward a once again more unified protocol
environment...to wit.. IPv6.

My market theory suggest that transfer market at its free-est and most open
deters and confuses the way forward.  The purpose of standards is to
eliminate confusion and choices which require understanding investment
options and application consequences.  While standards have their downside,
one of them is not those elements of marketplace choice.

The more options existing the more confused.  Investment=legacy.  End-users
must predict and interpret, making decisions that may come back to haunt.
Developers delay their innovation in order to better understand whether
they're investing in a blind technology. Transport providers must deploy
and support more complicated configurations with their limited funds,
inevitably satisfying some an thwarting others.

Would that the transfer market and all efforts to prolong IPv4 come to an
end quickly IMO.

End of soapbox


On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 7:13 AM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:

> On Feb 24, 2014, at 5:20 AM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 23, 2014, at 6:32 PM, David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:
> >> ...
> >> I've been thinking about this maybe the restrictions for anti-flipping
> don't belong in section 8 at all.  Maybe they belong in section 4 as they
> are intended to protect the ARIN IPv4 free pool.
> >
> > I disagree. I don't want to see flipping become a tool for speculation
> in the market post-exhaustion, any more than I want to see it become a tool
> for draining the free pool. In fact, I think that the former might be
> significantly more harmful than the latter at this point.
> Owen -
>   Could you elaborate your thoughts regarding the harm that might occur?
>   I believe that folks understand risks associated with sudden/unexpected
> IPv4 free
>   pool depletion, but you are suggesting that liquidity itself in the IPv4
> transfer
>   market is harmful.  As that is neither obvious nor aligned with most
> market theory,
>   it would be best for you to elaborate your thoughts some on that aspect.
> Thanks!
> /John
> John Curran
> President and CEO
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