[arin-ppml] 2014-2 8.4 Anti-flip Language

Bill Darte billdarte at gmail.com
Sun Feb 23 21:09:08 EST 2014

Do you support one or another of the proposed alternatives for making
2014-2 a viable policy?  Or perhaps you have differing wording or yet
another alternative?


On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Jimmy Hess <mysidia at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Steven Ryerse <
> SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com> wrote:
>>  This is an example of how policies penalize legitimate organizations
>> needing to do legitimate transfers.  In my opinion the Polices have swung
>> so far towards preventing abuse they impact legitimate transfers.  In the
>> publicly traded company world, each quarter is like a year and a year is
>> like 4 years to them since they have to publish their quarterly results 4
>> times a year.  For them a year is an eternity.
> I would say that the new policies such as the 8.3 specified transfer and
> inter-RIR transfer policies  are ENABLING resource holders.
> ARIN is not required to allow such transfers;  historically,  they were
> not allowed, but the community has decided that in some cases,  it makes
> sense to allow transfers to specified recipients or between RIRs.    In
> cases that are not allowed;  returning and applying for more resources is
> always an option,   so  organizations are not being penalized.      Some
> organizations may be  better enabled by new policies than others, and
> that's okay.
> While not all conceivable legitimate uses will be enabled by the specified
> transfer policy and its abuse protections;  It is more important to
>  prevent  potential abuses or possible flipping,  than to enable all
> conceivable uses of resource transfer  that would be deemed legitimate.
> I believe:  wait for 12 months,  or apply for the additional resources in
> the proper region are appropriate answers,  and this example doesn't
>  revise  relaxing  protections against abuse  that come  with the  new
> policies that enable  resource transfers.
> --
> -JH
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