[arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy InternetResource Holders

John Curran jcurran at arin.net
Mon Feb 17 06:48:38 EST 2014

On Feb 17, 2014, at 1:39 AM, David Conrad <drc at virtualized.org> wrote:

> The whole point of contention here is in fact that the party listed does _not_ have control of the address space -- it was transferred. The intent of the registration database is to help troubleshoot network problems including abuse. By not recording a transfer, ARIN is intentionally making it hard if not impossible to track down the actual operator of the address space, thereby failing the basic test of providing a registration database.

David - 
  The operational impact is actually the consequence of the service
  provider who makes use of address space which is assigned to another;
  it's not materially different than attempts at IP block hijacking 
  that we see from time to time.   

  If the registry is to be operated without any policy on transfers,
  that is indeed possible, but again that should be decided by the 
  community. Note - this is not unique to ARIN; LACNIC applies policies 
  to IPv4 transfers, APNIC applies policies to transfers (e.g. requiring 
  the recipient to be an APNIC member)... Are you suggesting that the
  very existence of registry policies are contrary to being an RIR, in 
  that they may result in an operator using space not registered and 
  thus hinder operations?

  If this had only been made clear by the authors of RFC 2050, we could 
  have saved more than a decade of policy working group meetings in every 
  region... Can you explain why you now believe that RIRs are not entitled 
  to operate their registries in accordance with community-developed policy?  
  Why doesn't the APNIC community have the right to require a recipient
  to be an APNIC member, or the LACNIC community the right to set a /24
  minimum block size on recipients?  In any of these cases, a rejection
  of a transfer request results in the same scenario you describe above;
  suggesting that all of the RIRs are failing your new "basic test" of 
  providing a registration database.


John Curran
President and CEO


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