[arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML 2014-7

David Farmer farmer at umn.edu
Thu Feb 6 19:31:03 EST 2014

There is no evidence of real harm for either side of this argument, 
there can't be.  The two participant rule is currently in place, and 
there is no motivation for abusing the two participant rule just yet. 
Since its not been instantiated yet, there is no way the three 
participant rule could have harmed anyone, and any abuse of the two 
participant rule isn't going to happen until run-out of the general ARIN 
IPv4 free pool.  So, there is no way to decide this one based on real 
evidence, and it is hyperbole to even ask for such evidence from either 

I feel I provided a good argument for the proposal and Rudi provided an 
equally good argument against the proposal.  If there are arguments for 
or against that haven't been provided, please provide them for the rest 
of community to consider.

There seems to be a clear potential for abuse of the two participant 
rule after run-out of the general ARIN IPv4 free pool.  Also, there 
seems to be a clear potential that changing to three participants will 
make it more difficult for some IXPs to get going.

This is clearly a judgement call, I think both arguments have merit and 
both have faults.  I think it is fine to come down on either side of 
this question.  But, let's try to limit the acrimony and the hyperbole, 
the AC needs a clear reading from the community and those things don't help.


On 2/6/14, 14:51 , CJ Aronson wrote:
> Martin
> Do you have any real evidence of real harm being caused by it being two
> instead of three?
> Thanks!
> -----Cathy
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Martin Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com
> <mailto:hannigan at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     Rudi,
>     Do you have any evidence of real harm?
>     Best,
>     Martin

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