[arin-ppml] support for 2014-1 (out of region use)

Martin Hannigan hannigan at gmail.com
Thu Feb 6 15:15:20 EST 2014

We don't need the staff experience to know that ARIN already
has the resources needed to validate request data. It's a business
administration problem, not a policy problem anyhow.  Im not clear why this
is even in the proposal.

Not in favor, remove text re: point 1 below, revisit points 2/3 per below.


Marty, (Jackson's at RTC 4:30! )

On Thursday, February 6, 2014, David Huberman <David.Huberman at microsoft.com>

> Thank you, Milton, for bringing this thread up.
> I've reviewed 2014-1 and thought about it carefully.  I am against this
> proposal.  I'll try and organize my thoughts, though they come from a few
> different angles.
> Text: https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2014_1.html
> 1) I'm against the specific 2014-1 language because I think it is almost
> entirely no-op.
> In general, I want NRPM to be brief, concise, and prescriptive.  "You
> qualify by doing X.  You don't qualify because of Y. You must show A, B,
> C."  We need less fluffy text in NRPM so that it is a more accessible and
> polished Policy document, imho.  In this case, only paragraph X.1 is
> operational.  It formally lays out just a few steps that ARIN already has
> available to it.  But these aren't the only tools ARIN has to verify
> request data, and I'm not convinced that having these specific bullet
> points in Policy helps the community or ARIN staff in any meaningful way.
> Put more straight forwardly:  ARIN staff already have these mechanisms
> available to them, and this policy text will not change the request process
> materially.
> 2) The PPML community has reviewed similar proposals twice, in my
> recollection.   There was a draft limiting out-of-region use discussed in
> Philadelphia. The community vocally was against it, and clearly told ARIN
> staff to keep doing what they were already doing. There was also a draft
> limiting out-of-region use discussed in Phoenix.  The community was again
> vocally against it, and clearly told the ARIN staff that this isn't a
> policy area they wish to discuss.
> 3) At the same time, the staff are continuing to report that there are
> significant problems from out-of-region requestors abusing the policies.
>  If you disagree with the PPML community (and I do - I think this is a
> serious issue that cries for Policy changes), then we need to draft text
> that significantly and materially helps ARIN staff fight fraud from
> out-of-region requestors.
> With regards,
> David
> David R Huberman
> Microsoft Corporation
> Senior IT/OPS Program Manager (GFS)
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net <javascript:;> [mailto:
> arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller
> Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2014 6:42 AM
> To: ARIN PPML (ppml at arin.net <javascript:;>)
> Subject: [arin-ppml] support for 2014-1 (out of region use)
> Draft policy 2014-1 attempts to solve a problem left over from last year.
> During 2013 there was a round of policy proposals attempting to tie ARIN
> allocations more closely to usage in the region. They failed to gain
> consensus because they would have interfered with trans-regional networks
> in undesirable ways. Yet, current policy is still ambiguous on the issue of
> out of region use of ARIN registered resources. This proposal attempts to
> clear up that ambiguity in a way that avoids harmful effects on
> transnational or trans-regional network operators. The gist of the idea is
> to allow out of region use for organizations eligible for ARIN resources,
> but also provide policy authorization for ARIN to charge fees to verify the
> identity or usage of applicants outside the region. I think this approach
> provides the most flexibility while addressing the only real problems that
> have been cited for out of region use (verification issues).
> You can see the proposal in full here:
> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2014_1.html
> Appreciate reading your comments about this.
> Milton L Mueller
> Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies
> Internet Governance Project
> http://internetgovernance.org
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