[arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML 2014-7

[Martin Hannigan]

Not really. It's a simple proposal being under thought to some extent as
well. I suggested we up the number of participants, nothing more. The rest
of the discussion is interesting, but not relevant to the proposal itself.

One alternative is an update to Section 12 and a mandate that ARIN audit
IXP's after 1 year (and audit all of them now) and if found to still have
only two participants, revoke their leased resources. Much easier to start
out with a point to point and an easy renumbering into shot at success.
Otherwise, we're building petri dishes to watch spam and viruses swap back
and forth, wasting number resources and money; many of these ill fated
expeditions are tax payer funded.

See www.ix.pr


Best,

-M<




On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 12:22 AM, George Herbert <george.herbert at gmail.com>wrote:

> This is approaching a Shrubbery.
>
> I oppose 2014-7; no clear need has been documented for any change, and the
> discussion is clearly demonstrating the risks in trying to overthink where
> we draw lines like this.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:10 PM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Jimmy Hess <mysidia at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Agreed.   Also agree that IXPs with only a handful of participants are a
>> > very easy low-cost renumbering scenario.
>> > Why should the bar be as low as two or 3 participants?
>> >
>> > Why not make the required number  at least 9 or 10 participants minimum,
>> > with actual documentation for 4 or 5,  before a whole /24 is warranted?
>>
>> Hi Jimmy,
>>
>> Personally, I like the number 5. Here's why:
>>
>> A) I've participated in a couple of IXPs that were more wishful
>> thinking than reality. By the time an IXP has 5 participants, it's no
>> longer wishful thinking. I'm no longer concerned that it may fail to
>> grow, stranding a bunch of otherwise usable addresses.
>>
>> B) 5 participants plus the IXP's route server fits just so into a /29
>>
>> C) When it comes time to renumber, the more participants involved, the
>> more of a PITA it becomes. A handful is not too bad, but coordinating
>> the action of a dozen folks starts to get messy.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bill Herrin
>>
>>
>>
>>
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