[arin-ppml] 2014-14, was Internet Fairness

Milton L Mueller mueller at syr.edu
Fri Dec 26 09:37:04 EST 2014

I don't think you're getting the concept of small, Bill. Take a look at  the statistics that were gathered about what proportion of the number space a number of /18s and below would consist of. It's less than 10% of the overall transfer market, and an even smaller portion of the overall address space.  Even with /16s I think the number was 17%. 

Let's also not forget this is about transfers, not initial allocations from the free pool. In other words, the numbers involved are already out there, being hoarded. This policy just makes it a lot easier to free them up for more intensive use. 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net]
> On Behalf Of William Herrin
> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 12:25 PM
> To: John Santos
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] 2014-14, was Internet Fairness
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 1:00 AM, John Santos <JOHN at egh.com> wrote:
> > Oppose 2014-14
> >
> > 1) /16 is not "small"
> This is the main problem I have with 2014-14. Start with /24's or maybe /22's
> and keep track of what happens to them. Then use the knowledge gained to
> formulate a better policy when expanding the process to larger blocks.
> I think it also needs a limit on the number of untested transfers in which an
> organization can participate in a given time period.
> The text itself needs some cleanup to deal with the more obvious unintended
> consequences, but the /16 boundary is what kills it for me.
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Seth Mattinen <sethm at rollernet.us>
> wrote:
> > Then make it /18 to align with the fee schedule definition of "small".
> I ran a regional ISP on two /18's. You're not getting the concept of "small."
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
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