[arin-ppml] Internet Fairness

Ted Mittelstaedt tedm at ipinc.net
Mon Dec 22 17:15:33 EST 2014

Another "Freewill" by Rush fan, I see.... ;-)  Your dating yourself...

An IP address adjacency is no guarantee anymore that the devices are in 
the same room.

I can put in Chicago and purchase a layer 2 circuit to 
Denver and put on that.

Please don't perpetuate the myth that adjacent IP's are always in the 
same geographical region.  There's enough wanna be Sorcerers Apprentices 
out there cobbling together PHP websites that claim to "analyze" your 
nameservers who don't know their piehole from their otherhole.


On 12/20/2014 5:05 PM, Rob Seastrom wrote:
> Steven Ryerse<SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com>  writes:
>> But you ignore the reality of life in a small Org that has limited
>> resources.  They are spending all their time just trying to keep
>> their doors open and don't have the extra time to participate even
>> if they want to.
> Having worked at tiny organizations for the majority of the time I
> served on the ARIN AC as well as NANOG committees and board, this
> argument rings hollow.
> At the end of the day, it's a matter of priorities.  Prudence would
> dictate that one participate in governance and standards bodies if
> they are doing stuff that directly affects one's business.  Prudence
> also dictates that one follow BCPs regarding putting nameservers for
> one's zone on topologically distinct networks.
>     merlot:~ rs$ dig eclipse-networks.com. ns | grep -w A
>     ns1.eclipseinternet.com. 172800           IN A
>     ns2.eclipseinternet.com. 172800           IN A
>     merlot:~ rs$
> In both cases, people sometimes prioritize differently, and they often
> get away with it.  There may even be valid business reasons for doing
> so (cost outweighs benefit for instance).
> But if you choose to not participate, you've still made a choice.
> -r
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