[arin-ppml] Internet Fairness blah blah

Steven Ryerse SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com
Mon Dec 22 16:15:47 EST 2014

It's almost gone now 6 to 12 months tops until runout unless some significant event occurs.  As it will take six months probably to make a major change to the affected policies.  Why not start now?  

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-----Original Message-----
From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of David Farmer
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 3:52 PM
To: Milton L Mueller; ARIN-PPML at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Internet Fairness blah blah

On 12/22/14, 13:57 , Milton L Mueller wrote:
> Please. Will all the amateur economists announcing that markets don't 
> work for finite resources take a look at
> a) radio spectrum auctions
> b) land/real estate markets
> c) ipv4 numbers in RIPE region, where needs tests for transfers were 
> basically abolished
> d) stock markets (there are a fixed number of shares for most 
> companies)
> e) ....about 150 other examples one could provide if one wanted to 
> waste further time
> we've had this debate over and over again, for the past 6 years. It's boring and mostly useless.
> Nearly all ISPs outside of North Korea exist in a market economy. Ipv4 number markets are here. They are not going away unless scarcity goes away.
> Useful discussions of this topic focus will on a particular policy proposal (e.g., 2014-14), will base their arguments for or against particular provisions of a policy on sound techno-economic analysis and not on opinions regarding "fairness" or "capitalism," and will take account of real things happening in the real world (such as ipv4 number block leases, RIPE policies, etc.).
> Rant over. :-)
> --MM

Thank you Milton.

While I may not totally agree with your analysis, I completely agree with your sentiment.  Many of us are tired of the same arguments begin rehashed over and over and over again.

You and several others have noted that RIPE has removed needs basis from its policies.  However, I would like to additionally note that RIPE did not even seriously begin that debate until after the RIPE free pool was essentially exhausted and RIPE had entered its last /8 policy.

I suspect that ARIN's consensus will similarly evolve quickly following ARIN's free pool exhaustion as well, something like 3 to 6 months following free pool exhaustion, I'll bet.

So my plea is, "DON'T PANIC", everyone please have the patience and dignity to let things take their coarse.  The ARIN free pool is not long for this world, start saying your goodbyes, and begin your grieving process now.  Just like the death of an old friend, its going to take us a little time to get use to the world without our old friend (the ARIN free pool) in it.


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