[arin-ppml] Internet Fairness blah blah

David Farmer farmer at umn.edu
Mon Dec 22 15:51:59 EST 2014

On 12/22/14, 13:57 , Milton L Mueller wrote:
> Please. Will all the amateur economists announcing that markets don't work for finite resources take a look at
> a) radio spectrum auctions
> b) land/real estate markets
> c) ipv4 numbers in RIPE region, where needs tests for transfers were basically abolished
> d) stock markets (there are a fixed number of shares for most companies)
> e) ....about 150 other examples one could provide if one wanted to waste further time
> we've had this debate over and over again, for the past 6 years. It's boring and mostly useless.
> Nearly all ISPs outside of North Korea exist in a market economy. Ipv4 number markets are here. They are not going away unless scarcity goes away.
> Useful discussions of this topic focus will on a particular policy proposal (e.g., 2014-14), will base their arguments for or against particular provisions of a policy on sound techno-economic analysis and not on opinions regarding "fairness" or "capitalism," and will take account of real things happening in the real world (such as ipv4 number block leases, RIPE policies, etc.).
> Rant over. :-)
> --MM

Thank you Milton.

While I may not totally agree with your analysis, I completely agree 
with your sentiment.  Many of us are tired of the same arguments begin 
rehashed over and over and over again.

You and several others have noted that RIPE has removed needs basis from 
its policies.  However, I would like to additionally note that RIPE did 
not even seriously begin that debate until after the RIPE free pool was 
essentially exhausted and RIPE had entered its last /8 policy.

I suspect that ARIN's consensus will similarly evolve quickly following 
ARIN's free pool exhaustion as well, something like 3 to 6 months 
following free pool exhaustion, I'll bet.

So my plea is, "DON'T PANIC", everyone please have the patience and 
dignity to let things take their coarse.  The ARIN free pool is not long 
for this world, start saying your goodbyes, and begin your grieving 
process now.  Just like the death of an old friend, its going to take us 
a little time to get use to the world without our old friend (the ARIN 
free pool) in it.


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