[arin-ppml] Internet Fairness

Mike Burns mike at iptrading.com
Mon Dec 22 14:40:41 EST 2014

I'm uncomfortable with what Mr. Seastrom did there, choosing the example he 
As a community we strive to be inclusive, and one way to stifle conversation 
is to go ad hominem, even if obliquely.
I hope we don't see more of that kind of thing on this list, nor language 
about trolls or whatnot.


-----Original Message----- 
From: Rob Seastrom
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 6:12 AM
To: Steven Ryerse
Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Internet Fairness

Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com> writes:

> Well Rob, we would have both of our name servers on topologically
> distinct networks but ARIN denied our small IPv4 allocation request!

Topologically distinct means not sharing facilities or upstreams.
Think off-site, on the other coast, or out-of-country, on networks not
run by you.  You are not kept from following these BCPs by
difficulties in your interface with ARIN.  It's a business decision
that it's too hard to do the right thing so you'll try and squeak by
with the absolute minimum.

> You proved my point that small Orgs have it tougher than larger ones
> getting resources.

Actually not, and I offered a specific counterexample to your
assertion that small organizations do not have the resources to
participate in the RIR or operator community, which you chose not to


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