[arin-ppml] Internet Fairness
tedm at ipinc.net
Sat Dec 20 03:53:01 EST 2014
On 12/19/2014 12:32 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> Do you have evidence to support any specific numbers being abandoned?
I have posted multiple times on this mailing list in the past about
resource 184.108.40.206/24 being abandoned
This is a direct assignment that was made to Leatherman Tool Group back
in 1994 to support a T1 from Internet Partners, Inc. It was abandoned
a few years later when Leatherman switched to a different ISP. Internet
Partners Inc. used it for several years until early 2000's when it got a
/19. Since that time, over a decade, it's been unused.
The Tech org on it is set to
OrgTechName: No, Contact Known
OrgTechEmail: nobody at example.com
probably as a result of ARIN's POC validation policy. However, the Org
abuse contact on it is set to:
OrgAbuseName: O'Brien, Byron
OrgAbuseEmail: hostmaster at hcorp.com
hcorp.com was abandoned when the company it owned went out of business.
It was picked up by a domain speculator which is clearly FRAUDULENTLY
responding to ARIN's email probes. As a result ARIN has
not expired THAT POC which it should have done years ago.
> Have you presented that evidence to ARIN?
Yes. I told the hostmaster about this block early 2000's when I
requested and obtained the /19 for Internet Partners, Inc. It was
listed as a "trade in" block as part of the justification to obtain
that /19 (which as a matter of fact, Internet Partners, Inc. returned
the /19 a couple years ago)
> It's easy to make claims like this because they are impossible to prove or disprove in most cases.
In this case it's certainly possible to prove since Leatherman Tools
still exists as a company. A phone call to their IT group from ARIN
would confirm it. A letter to their group would confirm it.
> If you have actual evidence of specific abandoned resources to support your claim, please provide that data to ARIN. I'm fairly certain that they would act to reclaim abandoned addresses with sufficient evidence.
ARIN isn't interested in expending labor on /24's. The problem is
there's a LOT of /24's out there. And I am quite sure a large number of
them have "No, Contact Known" POC's as a result of validation.
>> On Dec 19, 2014, at 08:08 , Ted Mittelstaedt<tedm at ipinc.net> wrote:
>> The Legacy community mostly doesn't exist.
>> While there are some legacy orgs that have large amounts, and some
>> smaller ones that have small allocations, who are still using their numbers, there are a large number of small allocations out there that were abandoned years ago and ARIN has not reclaimed.
>> On 12/18/2014 9:27 AM, Steven Ryerse wrote:
>>> Maybe a majority of the vocal community does, but I doubt if you add in all members of the community who do not comment and all the members of the community that only hold legacy allocations, I suspect that might not be the case. I think the legacy community is speaking volumes by not participating by commenting in this forum.
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>>> From: Gary Buhrmaster [mailto:gary.buhrmaster at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 12:12 PM
>>> To: Steven Ryerse
>>> Cc: Owen DeLong; arin-ppml at arin.net
>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Internet Fairness
>>> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Steven Ryerse<SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com> wrote:
>>>> All of those stats are interesting but they are not what is important here. What is important is how many small Orgs that applied for the minimum allocation (as it was defined at the time of the allocation request) since ARIN was chartered were denied because of needs policy.
>>>> I don’t know what that number is but if it is greater than zero, it shouldn’t have happened! ARIN’s Mission is to Advance the Internet, not to stifle it.
>>> While there is clearly support by some for your position advocating needless number allocations, the majority of the community supports a review to insure that the allocations are actually advancing the Internet, and not just throwing numbers around to whomever asks, whatever their plans (or lack thereof).
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