[arin-ppml] Internet Fairness

Steven Ryerse SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com
Thu Dec 18 12:15:46 EST 2014

Thanks for your comments!  Actually the total number of possible .com permutations is limited too.  IPv4 addresses and .com domain names are both just Internet resources that Internet users need to use the Internet.  Obviously there are less IPv4 addresses than .com combinations, but IPv4 is still the only way to access most of the Internet.  While ARIN has resources to allocate - I'm absolutely fine limiting the size of an allocation to match the size of an Org and their network, but I'm not fine with denying an Org any resources.  

Also IPv4 cannot somehow be saved by conservation.  Regardless of any policy, ARIN will run out of IPv4 probably within the next year.  If .com domain names were nearing runout, would that really make it OK to start denying small Orgs .com domain name requests? 

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-----Original Message-----
From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Sullivan
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:59 AM
To: arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Internet Fairness

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 04:35:41PM +0000, Steven Ryerse wrote:
> If it is not OK to deny the Minimum domain (available) name to an Org, then it isn’t OK to deny an Org the Minimum  IP allocation.  They are both Internet resources.

The analogy seems faulty to me.  The number space is finite (and in the case of v4, not very large).  The name space in any given registry is admittedly not infinite, since (1) it's limited to labels 63 octets long from the LDH repertoire and (2) useful mnemonics are generally shorter than 63 octets and usually a wordlike thing in some natural language.  There are, however, lots of registries (more all the time!
Thanks, ICANN!); and last I checked neither info nor biz was anything close to the size (or utility) of com, even though they've both been around since 2001 and have rather similar registration rules.  So, there is an argument in favour of tight rules for allocation of v4 numbers that is not available in the name case.

Best regards,


Andrew Sullivan
ajs at anvilwalrusden.com
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