[arin-ppml] 2014-1 Out of Region Use

Milton L Mueller mueller at syr.edu
Tue Dec 16 08:04:33 EST 2014

Can we PLEASE change the header on this thread?

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> On Behalf Of Adam Thompson
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 2:28 PM
> To: Steven Ryerse; John Curran
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] 2014-1 Out of Region Use
> On 14-12-15 12:34 PM, Steven Ryerse wrote:
> > I would point out that very clearly, anyone who wanted a /24 got one from
> Jon, just by requesting one.  I was one of the many folks who requested and
> received a /24. I also requested 4 consecutive /24's (Class C's) for a larger
> customer and received those as well.  I'm also reasonably sure that if I had
> requested a /8 (Class A) - I would not have gotten one - but I would not have
> gotten zero resources.
> >
> > The first word in item #1 below is Fair.  I agree we need balance and as I
> think you know by now I strongly do not think current policy is FAIR at the
> small end. When big org requests big block they either get a big block or a
> smaller block.  When medium org requests medium block they either get
> medium block or they get smaller block. When small org requests small block
> they either get small block or NO BLOCK.  This is inherently UNFAIR in my
> opinion.  I see no balance when a small org is discriminated against because
> they are small and have limited means. Thus Dave and Sue in their garage
> without the proverbial business plan or whatever to prove their need are
> shut out - and that is against ARINs Mission.
> Adding my $0.02, and to some extent probably setting up a straw-man
> argument:
> While I agree that *some* needs-based testing seems reasonable even for a
> /24, I feel the barrier should be minimal - i.e. prove that a legal entity exists
> (including a Legal Person, which can include an individual
> person) and has valid contact information.
> In fact, if the needs test were removed altogether for /24s, I would expect
> this scenario to play out:
>      - all /24s get depleted rapidly
>      - ARIN no longer issues /24s, and continues to employ needs-based testing
> for larger blocks
>      - the commercial transfer market becomes the only place to get /24s
>      - a market value for /24 rapidly is established and more-or-less settles
>      - the "Joe & Sue in a garage" client now has two choices:
>          a) buy a portable /24 from a transfer market and register it with ARIN, if
> they have the resources to do so, or
>          b) accept (and/or negotiate) whatever their ISP gives them, if they do
> not.
> This scenario could - potentially - ease ARIN's workload noticeably in the
> very-small end of the spectrum, while allowing the free market to control
> whether a new entrant gets PI space or not.
> This works analogously to the way the real-estate market works: if you can't
> afford commercial space, you start in your garage or basement, and you
> move out once you can afford commercial real estate.  If you can afford a
> storefront retail location, go ahead and pay for it - whether you ever open up
> to the public or not, whether you use it or not.
> If you can't afford a tiny PI allocation, use whatever your ISP gives you.  If you
> can, go ahead and pay for it - whether you use it or not.
> To rebut in advance the usual bogeyman of "but, speculators!":
> counter-intuitively, speculators are not a bad thing.  (See
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defending_the_Undefendable for an accessible
> analysis of how speculators are necessary in a Capitalist
> system.)
> Is the company that owns the shopping mall a "speculator"?  What about the
> REITs, developers and other types of companies that buy up land and then
> sell it to individuals?  The function of a "speculator" is to help smooth out
> price fluctuations.  I have no interest whatsoever in seeing a "spot" market
> for PI space.
> In short, I would be willing to support removing needs-based testing for /24s.
> It would harm people like myself, who run an entire ASN off a /24, but at the
> same time would benefit the most typical sort of entity (also like myself ;-)
> who needs a tiny PI block: multi-homed organizations who need redundancy
> but can't otherwise meet the utilization threshold.  Their numbers are
> increasing all the time, and are reflective of small- and medium-business
> numbers overall in North America, which in turn (according to multiple gov t
> and academic sources) are what drives growth in North America.  I don't
> have any idea what the politico-economic situation is like in the Caribbean,
> so don't make any claims about that.
> --
> -Adam Thompson
>   athompso at athompso.net
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>   Fax: +1 204 489-6515
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