[arin-ppml] 2014-1 Out of Region Use

Steven Ryerse SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com
Mon Dec 15 14:40:42 EST 2014

Amen!  I agree 100% with what you have described below. 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Thompson [mailto:athompso at athompso.net] 
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 2:28 PM
To: Steven Ryerse; John Curran
Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] 2014-1 Out of Region Use

On 14-12-15 12:34 PM, Steven Ryerse wrote:
> I would point out that very clearly, anyone who wanted a /24 got one from Jon, just by requesting one.  I was one of the many folks who requested and received a /24. I also requested 4 consecutive /24's (Class C's) for a larger customer and received those as well.  I'm also reasonably sure that if I had requested a /8 (Class A) - I would not have gotten one - but I would not have gotten zero resources.
> The first word in item #1 below is Fair.  I agree we need balance and as I think you know by now I strongly do not think current policy is FAIR at the small end. When big org requests big block they either get a big block or a smaller block.  When medium org requests medium block they either get medium block or they get smaller block. When small org requests small block they either get small block or NO BLOCK.  This is inherently UNFAIR in my opinion.  I see no balance when a small org is discriminated against because they are small and have limited means. Thus Dave and Sue in their garage without the proverbial business plan or whatever to prove their need are shut out - and that is against ARINs Mission.

Adding my $0.02, and to some extent probably setting up a straw-man

While I agree that *some* needs-based testing seems reasonable even for a /24, I feel the barrier should be minimal - i.e. prove that a legal entity exists (including a Legal Person, which can include an individual
person) and has valid contact information.

In fact, if the needs test were removed altogether for /24s, I would expect this scenario to play out:
     - all /24s get depleted rapidly
     - ARIN no longer issues /24s, and continues to employ needs-based testing for larger blocks
     - the commercial transfer market becomes the only place to get /24s
     - a market value for /24 rapidly is established and more-or-less settles
     - the "Joe & Sue in a garage" client now has two choices:
         a) buy a portable /24 from a transfer market and register it with ARIN, if they have the resources to do so, or
         b) accept (and/or negotiate) whatever their ISP gives them, if they do not.

This scenario could - potentially - ease ARIN's workload noticeably in the very-small end of the spectrum, while allowing the free market to control whether a new entrant gets PI space or not.

This works analogously to the way the real-estate market works: if you can't afford commercial space, you start in your garage or basement, and you move out once you can afford commercial real estate.  If you can afford a storefront retail location, go ahead and pay for it - whether you ever open up to the public or not, whether you use it or not.
If you can't afford a tiny PI allocation, use whatever your ISP gives you.  If you can, go ahead and pay for it - whether you use it or not.

To rebut in advance the usual bogeyman of "but, speculators!": 
counter-intuitively, speculators are not a bad thing.  (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defending_the_Undefendable for an accessible analysis of how speculators are necessary in a Capitalist
Is the company that owns the shopping mall a "speculator"?  What about the REITs, developers and other types of companies that buy up land and then sell it to individuals?  The function of a "speculator" is to help smooth out price fluctuations.  I have no interest whatsoever in seeing a "spot" market for PI space.

In short, I would be willing to support removing needs-based testing for /24s.  It would harm people like myself, who run an entire ASN off a /24, but at the same time would benefit the most typical sort of entity (also like myself ;-) who needs a tiny PI block: multi-homed organizations who need redundancy but can't otherwise meet the utilization threshold.  Their numbers are increasing all the time, and are reflective of small- and medium-business numbers overall in North America, which in turn (according to multiple gov t and academic sources) are what drives growth in North America.  I don't have any idea what the politico-economic situation is like in the Caribbean, so don't make any claims about that.

-Adam Thompson
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