[arin-ppml] Internet Fairness

[Owen DeLong]

Do you have evidence to support any specific numbers being abandoned?

Have you presented that evidence to ARIN?

It's easy to make claims like this because they are impossible to prove or disprove in most cases.

If you have actual evidence of specific abandoned resources to support your claim, please provide that data to ARIN. I'm fairly certain that they would act to reclaim abandoned addresses with sufficient evidence.

Owen

> On Dec 19, 2014, at 08:08 , Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm at ipinc.net> wrote:
> 
> The Legacy community mostly doesn't exist.
> 
> While there are some legacy orgs that have large amounts, and some
> smaller ones that have small allocations, who are still using their numbers, there are a large number of small allocations out there that were abandoned years ago and ARIN has not reclaimed.
> 
> Ted
> 
> On 12/18/2014 9:27 AM, Steven Ryerse wrote:
>> Maybe a majority of the vocal community does, but I doubt if you add in all members of the community who do not comment and all the members of the community that only hold legacy allocations, I suspect that might not be the case.  I think the legacy community is speaking volumes by not participating by commenting in this forum.
>> 
>> Thanks.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gary Buhrmaster [mailto:gary.buhrmaster at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 12:12 PM
>> To: Steven Ryerse
>> Cc: Owen DeLong; arin-ppml at arin.net
>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Internet Fairness
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Steven Ryerse<SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> All of those stats are interesting but they are not what is important here.  What is important is how many small Orgs that applied for the minimum allocation (as it was defined at the time of the allocation request) since ARIN was chartered were denied because of needs policy.
>>> 
>>> I don’t know what that number is but if it is greater than zero, it shouldn’t have happened!  ARIN’s Mission is to Advance the Internet, not to stifle it.
>> 
>> While there is clearly support by some for your position advocating needless number allocations, the majority of the community supports a review to insure that the allocations are actually advancing the Internet, and not just throwing numbers around to whomever asks, whatever their plans (or lack thereof).
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