[arin-ppml] 2014-1 Out of Region Use

Jo Rhett jrhett at netconsonance.com
Mon Dec 15 00:17:15 EST 2014

On Oct 27, 2014, at 5:23 PM, Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com> wrote:
> If in the spirit of trying to prevent fraud non-fraudulent requests get rejected, then Arin's mission stops being fulfilled.  I think it is important to make sure the mission is respected first and stopping fraud second or third or fifth or whatever.  We could stop all fraud by stopping all allocations but of course that makes no sense.  I would also point out that even when fraud happens Arin's Mission is still being fulfilled.

I completely disagree. There are dozens if not hundreds of people with non-fraudulent requests who get denied for insufficient justification. That is ARIN doing their job successfully in my mind. If widespread fraud occurs and ARIN does not take action, then I feel strongly that ARIN would not be doing their job.

> Of course maybe if the needs tests were loosened fraud would be significantly reduced as there would be no need to submit fraudulent requests.

Do you mean that if it were permissible to walk away with someone else’s belongings, then theft would no longer occur? Your statement is true without making any sense at all.

> I'm sure an org willing to submit a fraudulent request would tell you that they do have a need but they may not happen to meet the current arbitrary (and they are arbitrary) policy.  

I disagree completely. ARIN’s role is to satisfy needs-based requests. Exercising judgement of whether a need is realistic is doing their job.

The only thing arbitrary here is your desire for there to be no rules at all. Deeply amusing, but not helpful for realistic policy.

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