[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-204 Removing Needs Test from Small IPv4 Transfers (Sandra Brown)

Mike Burns mike at nationwideinc.com
Wed Apr 30 19:56:31 EDT 2014

Hi Andrew,

I don't understand what the problem is.
Are you saying that a recipient who wanted more than a /16 but was unwilling 
to demonstrate need would create separate entities?
Remember only one transfer per year.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Dul" <andrew.dul at quark.net>
To: <arin-ppml at arin.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-204 Removing Needs Test from Small IPv4 
Transfers (Sandra Brown)

> On 4/30/2014 1:55 PM, sandrabrown at ipv4marketgroup.com wrote:
>> BUT:  With the limitation of the transfer size to a /16 or smaller, it
>> would take a lot of transfers to hoard.  It would take 256 transfers to
>> stockpile a /8.  This is the 2nd means to prevent hoarding.  Most
>> companies wanting that many IP's would simply do needs justification.
> It seems trivial to me to divide a /8 into /16s or any other smaller
> block so I could transfer it without doing the needs justification.  I
> could write a script for the transfer templates and just send them off.
> Once the legwork for the first transfer is complete, the rest should
> just flow right through.  Nothing I see in the current text or policy
> prevents someone from taking a larger block and slicing it up to get
> under the /16 limit.  Since most of the brokers are out speculating that
> these blocks have significant value it seems clear that if the large
> players need them they will just be paying a staff person a few extra
> hours to manage this overhead.
> Does the current policy need to change?  Yes.  Do I think this policy
> proposal is the right answer, No.
> Andrew
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