[arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 106, Issue 8 (Sandra Brown)

Jay Martin jaymartin926 at gmail.com
Mon Apr 7 21:12:43 EDT 2014


Hi David,


I disagree with you. Like your 2014-2,  2014-9 (about resolving the
conflict between NRPM 8.2 and the RSA) is one of the  step(or excuse) to
avoid 8.2 then 8.3/8.4 transfer policy to have IPv4 transferred everywhere,
which may cause the inaccurate of ARIN whois.


The unfair  RIR system has already favoured those who have cashed up
and this 2014-09 and 201402 will further  worsen this and "the rich becomes
more richer and the poor becomes more poorer" the community policy need to
balance "the poorer and the richer".  Normally Speculator comes more from
the "richer". I strong suggest to keep the 8.2 unchanged and against your
2014-02.  I have the evidences about some of the speculators who actively
comment in this PPML.


I doubt you write this on behalf of your employer and maybe MS is plotting
another big move( e.g transfer a /10 to Asia Pacific Region or out of use
IPs in RIPE region or M/A some dissolved companies with plenty of unused
IPv4 and would like to easy your own process of 8.2 without the utilisation
rate test etc However, I am sure there must have something happening under
the ground ).


Jay



On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 7:44 AM, David Huberman <David.Huberman at microsoft.com
> wrote:

>  2014-9 (about resolving the conflict between NRPM 8.2 and the RSA) is the
> first step towards this goal.
>
> David R Huberman
> Microsoft Corporation
> Senior IT/OPS Program Manager (GFS)
> ------------------------------
> *From:* arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> on behalf
> of CJ Aronson <cja at daydream.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 7, 2014 7:37:06 AM
> *To:* Milton L Mueller
> *Cc:* John Curran; arin-ppml at arin.net; sandrabrown at ipv4marketgroup.com
> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 106, Issue 8 (Sandra
> Brown)
>
>  Milton if someone wants "ARIN to ease it's needs assessment requirements
> for transfers" then there has to be a policy proposal submitted that gains
> community support.  ARIN can't just change this without the process being
> followed.  In the past the policies to ease needs assessment have not
> gained community support but things change so who knows.
>
>  ----Cathy
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> >
>> > To the extent that the community feels that registry policy should be
>> > applicable in general to the management of address blocks in the region,
>> > then the rights afforded to address holders must definitely be a subset
>> of
>> > what most folks would consider "property rights."  In particular, to
>> the extent
>>
>>  I think the real issue is whether ARIN has any rights claims over number
>> block holders it does not have a contract with. RIPE seems to have foregone
>> any such claims. The sky has not fallen in Europe.
>>
>> > absent any change in
>> > direction, ARIN must hold to the position set at its establishment and
>> its in
>> > foundational documents that all address space in the registry is
>> subject to
>> > community-develop number resource policy.
>>
>>  Not sure I buy the assertion that these principles were in the
>> foundational documents; why did you need to add this language later? The
>> 'no property rights' language came very late in the day.
>>
>> > > Perhaps at some point some party with more at stake, will force the
>> > > property right issue in court,
>> >
>> > That actually could be quite beneficial, as would help in providing
>> further
>> > certainty regarding the ability of ARIN to maintain the registry per
>> the wishes
>> > and policies developed by the community.  Parties without any agreement
>>
>>  I think it would be easier for everyone if ARIN would just ease its
>> needs-assessment requirements for transfers. The whole threat of litigation
>> could be dissipated in a week if this happened.
>>
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