[arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 106, Issue 8

xiaofan yang nikiyangxf at gmail.com
Sat Apr 5 00:55:23 EDT 2014


Hi David,

There is problem here.  the buyer who is interested in our first /16 want
us to update ARIN whois records before we sell it to the buyer.    we have
brought the company X and  this is the reason why we ask ARIN if ARIN could
do the 8.2 transfer first then followed by the 8.3 transfer next.  I am
afraid of providing too much confidential information to ARIN for such a
8.2 transfer  and i am also afraid of the utilisation  descriptions in the
8.2 policy.

Have you had any further  advises?
thanks,
Niki


On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 12:37 PM, xiaofan yang <nikiyangxf at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> thanks for your advise.
>
> Niki
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 11:32 AM, David Huberman <
> David.Huberman at microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>>  "Niki",
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm confused by the questions, because the answers seem obvious, don't
>> they?
>>
>>
>>
>> Did you buy a company that has two /16s?  Just keep company X operating
>> as company X! Find a buyer for one /16, and have the company you bought -
>> company X - do an 8.3 transfer to the buyer.  It's not relevant to the
>> process that your main company bought company X - it just adds unnecessary
>> complexity to the ARIN process.  Then find a second buyer for a second /16
>> and repeat.
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess it's possible it's too late - that company X is already closed
>> and all of its assets are legally owned by your main company.  If that
>> happened to me, then I would just find a buyer who wants the first
>> /16. Then I'd submit an 8.3 transfer to sell it to them.  During the 8.3
>> transfer, ARIN will ask you for documentation that shows you own the
>> company X that has the Whois registrations today.  You show them the legal
>> documentation, then you move on to the 8.3 part of the transfer.  I'm not
>> sure why you're worried about ARIN taking back the second /16 which isn't
>> sold yet. RSA paragraph 6 says they can't do that.
>>
>>
>>
>> N.B. I am not your lawyer, and I am not providing you with legal advice.
>> I am not providing you advice on behalf of my employer, and I do not speak
>> for my employer.
>>
>>
>>
>> /david
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>>  *From:* arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> on
>> behalf of xiaofan yang <nikiyangxf at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 4, 2014 7:19 PM
>> *To:* kkargel at polartel.com
>> *Cc:* arin-ppml at arin.net
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 106, Issue 8
>>
>>   Hi Kevin,
>>
>>  I am quite confused by John's explanation too.
>> It seems ARIN always provides plenty of information meaning nothing.
>> Same happens to ask HM, HM will always  reply neutrally and I still
>> cannot know it is yes or no!
>>
>>  However, in basis of john's reply i will rephrase his explanation as
>> the following meaning:
>>
>>  I will try my best to transfer the two /16 to third party via 8.3/8.4
>> transfer immediately after a 8.2 transfer instead of reserving one /16 for
>> another future sale in case of the other /16 to return to ARIN free pool or
>>  rejecting for our second /16 transfer in future.
>>
>>  Niki
>>
>>
>>
>>  *Hi John,*
>>
>>  *In basis of your reply, if the block is underutilised,ARIN will either
>> ask the company to return the IPs or transfer to other third party via 8.3
>> transfer after our 8.2 transfer.*
>>
>>  *Correct.*
>>
>>  *Say we have two /16 after this 8.2 transfer, what if we only transfer
>> one /16 to the other third party via 8.3 transfer, meanwhile, we keep the
>> other /16 left unused after our 8.2 transfer for quiet a while. Will ARIN
>> ask us to return the remained /16 to the free pool? furthmore, how long
>> will ARIN allow us to keep the other /16 unused before we transfer it to
>> the third party via 8.3 transfer ?*
>>
>>  *Niki -*
>>
>>  *ARIN will continue to work with you as needed, so long as you are
>> still working*
>> *in good faith towards compliance with policy. For more information on
>> your*
>> *particular circumstances, please contact <hostmaster at arin.net
>> <hostmaster at arin.net><mailto:hostmaster at arin.net <hostmaster at arin.net>>>.*
>>
>>  *Thanks!*
>> */John*
>>
>>  *John Curran*
>> *President and CEO*
>> *ARIN*
>>
>>
>
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