[arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 106, Issue 8

xiaofan yang nikiyangxf at gmail.com
Sat Apr 5 00:37:52 EDT 2014


Hi David,

thanks for your advise.

Niki


On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 11:32 AM, David Huberman <
David.Huberman at microsoft.com> wrote:

>  "Niki",
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> I'm confused by the questions, because the answers seem obvious, don't
> they?
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> Did you buy a company that has two /16s?  Just keep company X operating as
> company X! Find a buyer for one /16, and have the company you bought -
> company X - do an 8.3 transfer to the buyer.  It's not relevant to the
> process that your main company bought company X - it just adds unnecessary
> complexity to the ARIN process.  Then find a second buyer for a second /16
> and repeat.
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> I guess it's possible it's too late - that company X is already closed and
> all of its assets are legally owned by your main company.  If that happened
> to me, then I would just find a buyer who wants the first /16. Then I'd
> submit an 8.3 transfer to sell it to them.  During the 8.3 transfer, ARIN
> will ask you for documentation that shows you own the company X that has
> the Whois registrations today.  You show them the legal documentation, then
> you move on to the 8.3 part of the transfer.  I'm not sure why you're
> worried about ARIN taking back the second /16 which isn't sold yet.
> RSA paragraph 6 says they can't do that.
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> N.B. I am not your lawyer, and I am not providing you with legal advice. I
> am not providing you advice on behalf of my employer, and I do not speak
> for my employer.
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> /david
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>  *From:* arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> on
> behalf of xiaofan yang <nikiyangxf at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 4, 2014 7:19 PM
> *To:* kkargel at polartel.com
> *Cc:* arin-ppml at arin.net
>
> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 106, Issue 8
>
>   Hi Kevin,
>
>  I am quite confused by John's explanation too.
> It seems ARIN always provides plenty of information meaning nothing.
> Same happens to ask HM, HM will always  reply neutrally and I still cannot
> know it is yes or no!
>
>  However, in basis of john's reply i will rephrase his explanation as the
> following meaning:
>
>  I will try my best to transfer the two /16 to third party via 8.3/8.4
> transfer immediately after a 8.2 transfer instead of reserving one /16 for
> another future sale in case of the other /16 to return to ARIN free pool or
>  rejecting for our second /16 transfer in future.
>
>  Niki
>
>
>
>  *Hi John,*
>
>  *In basis of your reply, if the block is underutilised,ARIN will either
> ask the company to return the IPs or transfer to other third party via 8.3
> transfer after our 8.2 transfer.*
>
>  *Correct.*
>
>  *Say we have two /16 after this 8.2 transfer, what if we only transfer
> one /16 to the other third party via 8.3 transfer, meanwhile, we keep the
> other /16 left unused after our 8.2 transfer for quiet a while. Will ARIN
> ask us to return the remained /16 to the free pool? furthmore, how long
> will ARIN allow us to keep the other /16 unused before we transfer it to
> the third party via 8.3 transfer ?*
>
>  *Niki -*
>
>  *ARIN will continue to work with you as needed, so long as you are still
> working*
> *in good faith towards compliance with policy. For more information on
> your*
> *particular circumstances, please contact <hostmaster at arin.net
> <hostmaster at arin.net><mailto:hostmaster at arin.net <hostmaster at arin.net>>>.*
>
>  *Thanks!*
> */John*
>
>  *John Curran*
> *President and CEO*
> *ARIN*
>
>
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