[arin-ppml] Update: 2014-1 Out of Region Use

Martin Hannigan hannigan at gmail.com
Fri Apr 4 20:14:00 EDT 2014


Oops, buffer overflow. Wrong thread. Simply, +1 for this thread.



On Friday, April 4, 2014, Martin Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Same, +1.
>
> Which isn't Section 11 a better place to address this?
>
> Best,
>
> -M<
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:55 PM, David Huberman <
> David.Huberman at microsoft.com> wrote:
> > Support in principle, strongly opposed as written.
> >
> > ARIN is a registry, not a regulator.  Networks with global reach should
> not have regulatory rules placed on them by ARIN whose job is primarily to
> record number assignments, not make rules which affect network topology.
> Thus I support the idea that numbers should not be bound to arbitrary
> political boundaries.
> >
> > I oppose this draft as written, however, because it adds hundreds of
> words to NRPM where only a few are needed to address the stated goal.  The
> problem statement indicates: " The next logical option is to discuss a
> proposal that clearly permits out of region use without limits".  Well ok.
>  If you wanted to do that explicitly in policy, how about:
> >
> >         Section 1.x -  ARIN-issued number resources may be used on
> equipment located anywhere.
> >
> > All the rest of the text that I see in this draft come down to, "if you
> have resources in other RIRs, we'll audit them to ensure you aren't double
> dipping." Policy already allows that:
> >
> >         "ISPs must have efficiently utilized all previous allocations
> and at least 80% of their most recent allocation
> >          in order to receive additional space."
> >
> >         " In order to justify an additional assignment, end-users must
> have efficiently utilized at least 80% of all
> >         previous assignments, and must provide ARIN with utilization
> details"
> >
> > We need to simplify NRPM and start peeling back a lot of this
> over-regulatory policy.  To do so, let's write clearer and more concise
> policy proposals, please.
> >
> > David R Huberman
> > Microsoft Corporation
> > Senior IT/OPS Program Manager (GFS)
> >
> >
> > From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of David Farmer
> > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 10:23 AM
> > To: ARIN PPML
> > Subject: [arin-ppml] Update: 2014-1 Out of Region Use
> >
> > Based on the discussion at the PPC in Atlanta (link below), the
> following changes are proposed.
> >
> >
> https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ppc_nanog60/webcast/2014-1.mov
> >
> > There is a summary of the changes and a red-lined version of the policy
> text with new and deleted text highlighted following the complete Draft
> Policy.
> >
> > ----
> >
> > Draft Policy ARIN-2014-1
> > Out of Region Use
> >
> > Date: 28 March 2014
> >
> > Problem statement:
> >
> > Current policy neither clearly forbids nor clearly permits out or region
> use of ARIN registered resources. This has created confusion and
> controversy within the ARIN community for some time. Earlier work on this
> issue has explored several options to restrict or otherwise limit out of
> region use. None of these options have gained consensus within the
> community. The next logical option is to discuss a proposal that clearly
> permits out of region use without limits, beyond those already existing in
> policy.
> >
> > Permitting out of region use, however, poses issues that have to be
> addressed by policy and adjustments to operational practice. Out of region
> use needs a clear definition and any operational practices based on that
> definition must not be unnecessarily burdensome. It is significantly more
> difficult and costly for ARIN Staff to independently verify the
> justification and utilization of resources that are reassigned or otherwise
> used outside of the ARIN service region. There needs to be recognition of
> this difference in policy and associated operational practices, especially
> the cost differential when there is more than an incidental amount of out
> of region use.
> >
> > Policy statement:
> >
> > Create new Section X;
> >
> > X. Out of Region Use
> >
> > ARIN registered resources may be used outside the ARIN service region
> and such use is valid justification for new or additional resources.
> Resources are considered to be used outside the region if the user or
> customer service address or the technical infrastructure address, such as
> the point of presence (POP), data center, or other similar location, are
> outside the ARIN service region.
> >
> > There is a general presumption that requesting resources from ARIN for
> use within another RIR's service region duplicates any resources held by
> the organization with that other RIR.  Therefore, the organization should,
> not hold any resources with the other RIR, or demonstrate that all such
> resources held are utilized based on ARIN policy requirements, or provide
> an operational justification clarifying how the resources from ARIN will
> not duplicate any underutilize
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