[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-9: Resolve Conflict Between RSA and 8.2 Utilization Requirements

xiaofan yang nikiyangxf at gmail.com
Thu Apr 3 19:43:43 EDT 2014

Hi Milton,

thanks for your inspiring reply.  Now i know that we have the "ownership"
of those IPs.    as you are one of the AC, i take your reply seriously and
also this is good news for the community, especially for those legacy
holders, if the holder of ARIN non-legacy IPs can have the "ownership'
 then the holder of legacy IPs definitely has the ownership  on their IPs
 no matter whether they sign the RSA , LRSA or not.

Hope ARIN will not impose unpredictable "restrictions" when legacy or
non-legacy holder begins its transfer request. Moreover,  when ARIN reject
a transfer , hope ARIN will not use the "confidential terms" as an excuse
for not reply communities' questions in ppml.   or ARIN will reply with
bunch of info mean nothing.

On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:33 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:

> Niki:
> For most economists and lawyers, the definition of a "property right"
> involves the right to use, the right to exclude others from using, and the
> right to transfer. As John's message makes clear, all those rights are
> present in the number block lease you get from ARIN. So although the RSA
> makes you formally declaim a property right, what you are getting from the
> RSA is a bundle of rights that for all practical purposes has the same
> economic features as a property right.
> -----Original Message-----
> Wonderful question - it is ARIN's position that you have a specific set of
> rights to the address blocks in the registry (as defined by the
> registration services agreement that you enter with ARIN), and these rights
> include:
>     (1) The exclusive right to be the registrant of the Included Number
> Resources within the ARIN database;
>     (2) The right to use the Included Number Resources within the ARIN
> database; and
>     (3) The right to transfer the registration of the Included Number
> Resources pursuant to the Policies.
> ARIN registration services agreement includes a specific disclaimer of
> property rights in the address blocks, as it is inconsistent with the
> ability to manage the address blocks in accordance with community-developed
> policy in the region.  If you have other beliefs with respect to your
> rights, that would probably be an area for you to seek legal advice.
> I hope this helps; please do not hesitate to ask if you have any
> additional questions.
> Thanks!
> /John
> John Curran
> President and CEO
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