[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-9: Resolve Conflict Between RSA and 8.2 Utilization Requirements

xiaofan yang nikiyangxf at gmail.com
Thu Apr 3 19:33:04 EDT 2014

Hi John,

In basis of your reply,  if the block is underutilised,ARIN will either ask
the  company to return the IPs  or transfer to other third party via 8.3
transfer after our 8.2 transfer.

Say we have two /16 after this 8.2 transfer, what if we only transfer one
/16 to the other third party via 8.3 transfer, meanwhile, we keep the
other /16 left unused after our 8.2 transfer for quiet a while.   Will ARIN
ask us to return the remained /16 to the free pool?  furthmore, how long
will ARIN allow us to keep the other /16 unused before we transfer it to
the third party via 8.3 transfer ?


On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 7:59 AM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:

> On Apr 2, 2014, at 4:27 PM, xiaofan yang <nikiyangxf at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi John,
> >
> > I have further enquiry about ARIN 8.2 process.
> >
> > Number one:I am also worried about the costs of doing a 8.2 transfer
> followed by a 8.3 transfer.  I wonder if I will have to involve the legal
> help to deal with ARIN legal.  In my case I bought a company that now is
> out of business. How complicated does ARIN make this process?  I want some
> assurance that I will be treated equally to any other companies whether it
> is  a big company or a small company like us.
> Niki -
> You will be treated equally, but in truth I'm not certain that is actually
> what you want...
> (for example, a process which seems routine for a large organization could
> still pose
> a disproportionate burden to a smaller organization since organization
> size is not a
> factor in the verification process.)
> The first and foremost activity is to make sure that we have your
> organization registered
> as the rightful address holder, and that will require an NRPM 8.2
> transfer.  It can actually
> be relatively straightforward process, as long as you have clear
> documentation of the
> purchase of the company.  Review the instructions here for additional
> information about
> what is accepted - <
> https://www.arin.net/resources/request/transfers_8_2.html>
> > Number two:  If we do a 8.2 transfer followed by a 8.3 transfer, will
> the stated purpose for our number resources remains the same?? I am afraid
> of that ARIN will not approve our transfer.
> If you are the clear party with the rights after your purchase, ARIN will
> approve your
> transfer.  We may note that you have more addresses than you now need, and
> thus
> we expect you to return or transfer the remainder (but that would seem to
> line up with
> your intentions in any case.)
> If you have purchased a company without adequate documentation, or if
> multiple
> parties purchased multiple pieces of the company, or if there some
> question about
> what was purchased based on the documentation, then it can be more
> challenging
> to get the resources appropriately listed with you as the rightful holder.
>  You will need
> to apply for the transfer and work with the ARIN Hostmaster to determine
> if there is
> any issue in your particular case.
> > Number three:  As we have bought the company,  do we have the property
> right on those IPs?  in our past agreement and future agreement arranged
> for 8.3,  we would like to have some kinds of property right on those IPs,
>  will that conflict with ARIN policy?
> Wonderful question - it is ARIN's position that you have a specific set of
> rights to the
> address blocks in the registry (as defined by the registration services
> agreement that
> you enter with ARIN), and these rights include:
>     (1) The exclusive right to be the registrant of the Included Number
> Resources within the ARIN database;
>     (2) The right to use the Included Number Resources within the ARIN
> database; and
>     (3) The right to transfer the registration of the Included Number
> Resources pursuant to the Policies.
> ARIN registration services agreement includes a specific disclaimer of
> property rights
> in the address blocks, as it is inconsistent with the ability to manage
> the address blocks
> in accordance with community-developed policy in the region.  If you have
> other beliefs
> with respect to your rights, that would probably be an area for you to
> seek legal advice.
> I hope this helps; please do not hesitate to ask if you have any
> additional questions.
> Thanks!
> /John
> John Curran
> President and CEO
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