[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-204 Removing Needs Test from Small IPv4 Transfers (fwd)

[David Farmer]

Marty,

Are you suggesting the whole idea of removing needs testing from small 
IPv4 transfers would be a massive abuse vector?  Or;

Do you mean only John's suggestion of a presumption of good faith for 
small allocations would be a massive abuse vector?

Thanks.

On 4/30/14, 17:19 , Martin Hannigan wrote:
> It'll be a massive abuse vector.
>
> Best,
>
> Martin
>
> On Wednesday, April 30, 2014, John Santos <JOHN at egh.com
> <mailto:JOHN at egh.com>> wrote:
>
>
>     I agree with Bill.  It might be appropriate to drop needs testing for
>     small allocations simply because it is not worth the effort, but I don't
>     see a /16 as being small.  Something in the range of /24 to /20 would
>     be better.
>
>     Another idea to ponder would be instead of dropping the need
>     requirement,
>     we adopt a presumption of good faith for small allocations.  ARIN would
>     simply take the word of the requester or recipient for small allocations
>     or transfers, but if it was later discovered the recipient was acting in
>     bad faith, the allocation could be revoked.
>
>     On Wed, 30 Apr 2014, William Herrin wrote:
>
>      > On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 1:35 AM, John Springer
>     <springer at inlandnet.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
>      > > ARIN-prop-204 Removing Needs Test from Small IPv4 Transfers
>      > >
>      > > Policy statement:
>      > > Change the language in NRPM 8.3 after Conditions on the
>     recipient of the
>      > > transfer: from "The recipient must demonstrate the need for up
>     to a 24-month
>      > > supply of IP address resources under current ARIN policies and
>     sign an RSA."
>      > > to "For transfers larger than a /16 equivalent, the recipient must
>      > > demonstrate the need for up to a 24-month supply of IP address
>     resources
>      > > under current ARIN policies and sign an RSA."
>      >
>      > How would we go about assessing whether such changes prove harmful or
>      > helpful? What metrics does ARIN collect under this policy which
>     can be
>      > analyzed and presented here so we can consider expanding it to larger
>      > transfers? Does no justification mean no documentation?
>      >
>      > What makes you think /16 is the right place to start testing this
>      > idea? Traditionally /24 was the last no-justification request
>      > accepted. Why is that not the right place to start testing a new
>      > no-justification regime?
>      >
>      > For now I OPPOSE the proposal as written but I'd like to hear more.
>      >
>      > Regards,
>      > Bill Herrin
>      >
>      >
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