[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Reduce all Minimum Allocation/Assignment units to /24

Wed Apr 30 14:22:22 EDT 2014

The analysis by David is, in my opinion, correct. This policy proposal is 
receiving what in my experience is an unprecedented amount of community 
support, _AS_WRITTEN_. Changes to the text require support be reiterated, 
which might be unwanted and harmful to the text speed of the process. 
Further desired changes should be submitted separately to avoid 
interfering with the momentum that has been generated.

The community is speaking and the AC is listening. What I am hearing is 
get busy and get 'er done. If the policy proposal can be supported as 
written, it should be. Any changes to the text as written will have to be 
listened to and responded to and cannot speed things up.

I am _NOT_ saying do not dissent, only that the conversation that ensues 
will take time.

Not to put words in Marty's mouth, but that is how I interpret what he is 
saying.

John Springer

On Wed, 30 Apr 2014, David Huberman wrote:

> 
> Derek,
> 
>  
> 
> Marty can be a bit gruff - it's part of his charm :)  He's actually trying very hard to help you achieve your goals.  His observation you quoted is borne of wisdom of
> dealing with the policy process for many years.   Some may agree, or may not agree.  I happened to agree strongly with him.
> 
>  
> 
> Owen's proposal, without modifications (or at least, not the one proposed so far), has the best chance of succeeding, and doing so quickly.
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>  
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> Just my opinion.
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>  
> 
> /david
> 
> David R Huberman
> Microsoft Corporation
> Senior IT/OPS Program Manager (GFS)
> 
> _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> on behalf of Derek Calanchini <derekc at cnets.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 6:13 PM
> To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Reduce all Minimum Allocation/Assignment units to /24  
> Martin,
> 
> You seem very negative about this, disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing is counter productive.  Perhaps you could explain your concerns giving actual reasons,
> potential fallout, issues, etc in the hopes of making it better....
> 
>  Best regards,
> 
>    Derek Calanchini
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> On 4/29/2014 5:15 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
> 
> Owens change is simple and fast. Meddling beyond that is asking for trouble.  It's a no op. Leave it alone. 
> Bring that to the PPC at NANOG and this is dead. 
> 
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> 
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> On Tuesday, April 29, 2014, Jimmy Hess <mysidia at gmail.com> wrote:
>       On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>
>       I support the proposed change as written.
>
>       In addition,  since Multihomed ISPs no longer have a different minimum
>       allocation, I suggest    removing the distinction between Multihomed
>       and non-Multihomed ISPs:
>
>          o 4.2.1.5     Delete the sentence that says "For multihomed ISPs...."
>          Remove multi-homed distinction and requirements for initial
>       allocations to ISPs.
>             o Delete section  4.2.2.1  Standard or non-multihomed  and subsections.
>
>             o Rename section 4.2.2.2 to  remove references to Multihomed
>
>       Prepend     "When requesting a  /24,  demonstrate the efficient
>       utilization of a minimum contiguous or non-contiguous  /27  (two /28s)
>       from an upstream."
>
>       [Regardless if multihomed or not]
> 
> 
>
>       > Template: ARIN-POLICY-PROPOSAL-TEMPLATE-3.0
>       >
>       > 1. Policy Proposal Name: Reduce all Minimum Allocation/Assignment units to
>       > /24
>       > 2. Proposal Originator
>       > a. name: Owen DeLong
>       > b. email: owen at delong.com
>       > c. telephone: 408-890-7992
>       > d. organization: Hurricane Electric
>       > 3. Date: 29 April, 2014
>       > 4. Problem Statement:
>       >
>       > As we approach runout, more and more end users and smaller ISPs will be
>       > unable to obtain space from their upstreams and will be seeking space from
>       > ARIN. In order to meet these needs to the extent possible and to make policy
>       > more fair to a broader range of the ARIN constituency, we should reduce the
>       > minimum assignment and allocation units to /24 across the board.
>       >
>       > 5. Policy statement:
>       >
>       > Change the minimum allocation and assignment unit for all IPv4 single and
>       > multi homed instances to /20. This would include:
>       >
>       >
>       > 4.2.1.5 Change all occurrences of /20 and /22 to /24
>       >
>       > 4.2.2.1.1 Change all occurrences of /20 to /24, and change 16 /24s to 1 /24.
>       > Remove the example about 12 /24s.
>       >
>       > 4.3.2.1 Change both occurrences of /20 to /24
>       >
>       > 4.9 Change /22 to /24
>       >
>       > 4.9.1 Change all instances of /22 to /24. Remove the reference to 4 /24s.
>       >
>       >
>       > 6. Comments:
>       > a. Timetable for implementation: Immediate, possibly through board action.
>       > b. Anything else
>       >
>       > END OF TEMPLATE
>       >
>       >
>       >
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