[arin-ppml] Policy discussion - Method of calculating utilization

[Jeffrey Lyon]

Martin,

I disagree that this proposal would in any way eliminate needs basis.
The intent is to make sure that all allocations are considered in
aggregate so that those requesting space only have to have 80%
utilization vs. 90%+ that happens in many cases where allocations are
considered independently of each other.

Thanks, Jeff

On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 2:15 AM, Martin Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'd support this proposal being implemented post runout. Otherwise, opposed.
> This is a pass on the needs test that the rest of us have been subject to.
> Do away with all need, not small bits.
>
>
> Best,
>
> -M<
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> No, but I think it will be before any new policy proposal moving at
>> "normal" speed takes effect. (The /24 minimum allocation size might take
>> effect before then. If so, that will probably accelerate runout further.)
>>
>> If you think (as I do) that this policy change would still be useful after
>> runout when most requests result in a transfer, you could probably sidestep
>> a lot of potential opposition by specifying that it would only go into
>> effect after free pool runout, or would only affect transfers.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>> On Apr 30, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Jeffrey Lyon <jeffrey.lyon at blacklotus.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Scott,
>>>
>>> Also, we're already in Phase 4, so isn't it fair to say that the free
>>> pool is essentially exhausted?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Jeff
>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Scott Leibrand
>>>> <scottleibrand at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> This seems to me like a reasonable operational practice for ARIN to use
>>>> to
>>>> help prevent a run on the remaining free pool from organizations with
>>>> large
>>>> quantities of existing space.
>>>>
>>>> Are you trying to change this before free pool runout, or are you
>>>> concerned
>>>> with making needs justification a bit easier for transfers once the free
>>>> pool is exhausted? I would support the latter, but not the former.
>>>>
>>>> -Scott
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 30, 2014, Jeffrey Lyon <jeffrey.lyon at blacklotus.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Friends, Colleagues,
>>>>>
>>>>> A couple of years ago I brought up an issue I had run into where the
>>>>> utilization requirement for new requests is being calculated on a per
>>>>> allocation basis rather than in aggregate. For example, if an
>>>>> organization has 4 x /22 and 3 of them are utilized 100% and the
>>>>> fourth utilized at 75%, that request would be denied. This is a bit
>>>>> out of balance as an organization with a single /20 utilized at 80%
>>>>> would have less efficient utilization but would be eligible to request
>>>>> additional space.
>>>>>
>>>>> The last time this was discussed it sounded as if the community would
>>>>> support a policy proposal to change this calculation to be considered
>>>>> in aggregate vs. per assignment. Does this remain the case?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jeffrey A. Lyon, CISSP-ISSMP
>>>>> Fellow, Black Lotus Communications
>>>>> mobile: (757) 304-0668 | gtalk: jeffrey.lyon at gmail.com | skype:
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jeffrey A. Lyon, CISSP-ISSMP
>>> Fellow, Black Lotus Communications
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-- 
Jeffrey A. Lyon, CISSP-ISSMP
Fellow, Black Lotus Communications
mobile: (757) 304-0668 | gtalk: jeffrey.lyon at gmail.com | skype: blacklotus.net