[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles - revised

Chris Grundemann cgrundemann at gmail.com
Wed Sep 18 18:50:07 EDT 2013

On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:41 PM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Chris Grundemann <cgrundemann at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > We've seen no additional feedback to this most recent version (v3 13
> August
> > 2013) of ARIN-2013-4. We have attempted to include all of the feedback
> > received into this latest version of text and I personally hope that all
> > major issues have been addressed. This current text aims to document
> > existing practice based on historical norms which best instruct the
> driving
> > principles required to successfully operate an RIR. If that mark has been
> > hit or missed, we need your feedback to properly gauge.
> >
> > Please include a clear statement of support or opposition when
> responding.
> Hi Chris,
> I reluctantly OPPOSE the draft as written.
> This proposal has undergone tremendous improvement since it first
> appeared an I want to take a moment to commend everyone who worked on
> it for their efforts.

Excellent, I think so too, and I echo your commendation to all involved.

> The points about registration and routability do a respectable job
> marking out what I think our policies should be about. I continue to
> think "conservation" misses the mark: ARIN's role is about
> sustainability which is not the same thing. However, conservation is
> arguably a reasonable starting point for further development. Get
> something on the books and then talk about improving it.

Sounds good.

> The fourth point about stewardship doesn't work for me.
> "0.4. Stewardship
> The principle of stewardship guarantees the application of these
> principles when managing Internet number resources.
> The fundamental purpose of Internet number stewardship is to
> distribute unique number resources to entities building and operating
> networks thereby facilitating the growth and sustainability of the
> Internet for the benefit of all."
> The language is too wishy-washy, justifying anything and nothing. What
> concept is intended to be conveyed here anyway? That ARIN is supposed
> to manage number resources in a way which follows policies developed
> based on principles 1 through 3? That ARIN is intended to manage
> number resources for the benefit of all who build and operate TCP/IP
> networks, not just Internet-centric companies? Something else? We
> already covered uniqueness and network growth and what not, so why
> restate them weakly?

My understanding is that stewardship is the glue holding the other three
principles together. Or said another way, all three previous principles
must be balanced with one another, and stewardship is the principle which
informs that balancing act by reminding us that our ultimate goal here is
to get numbers to those who need them in the service of the Internet.  I'd
love to hear other opinions on the need to include stewardship as one of
the principles.


Let's figure out what we're really trying to say here and then say it
> plainly. Or just drop it. I think the statement of principles would
> survive the absence of point 4,. If we ever figure out what we were
> trying to say, we can add it later.
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
> --
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