[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-6: Allocation of IPv4 and IPv6 Address Space to Out-of-region Requestors - Revised Problem Statement and Policy Text

David Farmer farmer at umn.edu
Tue Sep 17 15:52:25 EDT 2013

On 9/17/13 10:20 , Matthew Petach wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 3:59 PM, David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu
> <mailto:farmer at umn.edu>> wrote:
>     On 9/14/13 22:58 , Matthew Petach wrote:
>         I will also note for the record that as port density increases,
>         the number of devices we use is going down, not up.
>         They cost a metric shit ton more, and suck up more power
>         and need more cooling--but if you're measuring by "number
>         of boxes" rather than "capability of boxes", I think the expectation
>         that the number of boxes in a network will always be increasing,
>         as someone else further down in the thread claimed, is prima
>         facie false.
>     I don't think we want to be measuring the size of the network, at
>     least the number of devices used to build the network.  Just that
>     there is a network, or portion of a global network, within the region.
> OK; so "20%" could be measured in terms of cost of devices in the
> ARIN region, rather than device count, in the case of a network
> that has a few very large, very expensive network elements in
> the ARIN region, but hundreds of small, inexpensive nodes
> outside of the ARIN region.

If we change to a 20% standard, then substitute 20% for plurality below, 
but I'll use plurality for now;

It is plurality of the resources requested and where the things that 
justify those resources are located. If one device in the ARIN region, 
is part of a global network of a million other devices, but that device 
justifies the need for a plurality of the new requested resources, based 
on the other applicable policies and procedures then you've meet the 

This isn't about counting infrastructure, there just needs to be 
infrastructure to justify the request, just like today. This isn't 
necessarily about counting customers either, if the fact that you are 
adding 10,000 home broadband users and you are justifying 1 address per 
customer, then sure the count of the customers in or out of the region 
matters in that case. This isn't intended to add anything new other than 
where the things are that are use to justify your request. Its the count 
of the resources justified that matters, not necessarily the count of 
the things justifying.

If today you justify your request because you are adding 10,000 servers 
to your network and also 10,000 virtual hosting web sites with SSL, for 
a total of 20,000 addresses.  Then if the 10,000 virtual hosts are based 
in the ARIN region, and the 10,000 servers are not all in one of the 
other regions then you meet the standard for a plurality of the 
resources requested being justified within the ARIN region. Also, note 
the 10,000 virtual sites with SSL could in theory be one server in the 
ARIN region.

This isn't as hard as some people seem to want to make it.  You simply 
add one fact to the information that you have to give ARIN now, where 
the things justifying resources are located.  I believe, in most cases 
you end up giving them that anyway.


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