[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-6: Allocation of IPv4 and IPv6 Address Space to Out-of-region Requestors - Revised Problem Statement and Policy Text

[Bill Darte]

Agreed.... As much as I do not like plurality, it is far better than an
arbitrary percentage in my opinion.  I think an arbitrary percentage is
less likely to be agreed upon, whereas plurality says what the community
seems to want.  That is, a portion of one's holding/business, that is in
fact more than significant...it is most significant.

bd


On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:59 PM, David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:

> On 9/14/13 22:58 , Matthew Petach wrote:
>
>  Why not simply use a phrase like "significant fraction" rather than
>> "plurality"?
>>
>
> The problem with significant fraction, its overly vague, while plurality
> may not be a commonly use every day word, it does have a precise meaning
> and in this context that is "more than any other RIR's region". However,
> since there are 5 regions the smallest possible plurality would be slightly
> more than 20% within the ARIN region.  However, in most cases a plurality
> will be more than that.
>
> Rather than significant fraction, if the community could agree on a
> percentage say 20%, 25%, or maybe 30%, as a minimum percentage within the
> region that would be a little simpler than plurality, and be actually
> something staff could implement. I do not believe significant fraction as
> the standard would give staff a policy that can be implemented.
>
>  change
>>
>> " a plurality of resources
>> requested from ARIN must be justified by technical infrastructure and
>> customers located within the ARIN service region, and any located
>> outside the region must be interconnected to the ARIN service region."
>>
>> to
>>
>> " a significant fraction of the resources requested from ARIN must be
>> justified by technical infrastructure or customers located within the ARIN
>> service region, and any located outside the region must be interconnected
>> to the ARIN service region."
>>
>
> If we don't like plurality for whatever reason, I'd suggest;
>
> "a minimum of X% of the resources requested from ARIN must be justified by
> technical infrastructure or customers located within the ARIN service
> region, and any located outside the region must be interconnected to the
> ARIN service region."
>
> Where X% is something like 20%, 25%, or 30%.
>
>  (representing a global network that spans 4 RIRs, but has no
>> customers, I also advocate changing from "and customers"
>> to "or customers", to relieve networks such as the one I work
>> for from being unfairly excluded from obtaining ARIN resources.
>>
>
> I'm ok with "technical infrastructure or customers", I've been debating
> between, and, or, and and/or myself.  Are there any objections to
> "technical infrastructure or customers"?
>
>  I will also note for the record that as port density increases,
>> the number of devices we use is going down, not up.
>>
>> They cost a metric shit ton more, and suck up more power
>> and need more cooling--but if you're measuring by "number
>> of boxes" rather than "capability of boxes", I think the expectation
>> that the number of boxes in a network will always be increasing,
>> as someone else further down in the thread claimed, is prima
>> facie false.
>>
>
> I don't think we want to be measuring the size of the network, at least
> the number of devices used to build the network.  Just that there is a
> network, or portion of a global network, within the region.
>
>  Matt
>>
>> (for the record, while I'm suggesting alternate language that
>> I think might be more palatable, as currently proposed,
>> I oppose this proposal)
>>
>
> Do you opposed to the whole approach?  Or, Are there changes to the text
> that would allow you to support the Draft?  Or, is there another approach
> to the problem you would propose?
>
> Thanks
>
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